The Reiki Cafe 

Hi All,

Check this out...

http://www.network54.com/hide/forum/135640

Roxy

Hi Roxy

I have just spent an hour there (LOL)
What a blast, did you see this link
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/272320

This is a reiki fraud link.

All I can say, is thank goodness this site isn't like those.

Totally horrifying, what ois being done in the name of reiki.
Namaste

Rob

Hi Rob,

Yes, I came to this link through that link. You may have seen I paricipated in the Fraud Link. What worries me is these self-appointed "Spiritual Warriors" are doing as much damage as the original link.

Roxy

Hi guys,

Some of us have waaaaay to much time on our hands.

bagl

These guys could stand to re read the principles.

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

Rebecca,

bagl

I have an excuse...this is my weekend. Tomorrow I'll be busting my a** at the store's Christmas rush.

Roxy

Hi Rebecca
Do you think that they may have read them at all (LOL), let alone understand the concept of them????.

I take it that you have had a look?

Namaste

Rob

Hi Rob,

Yes, I had a look. Don't think I will be going back. Not a group I would want to hang out with.

I don't think they've even heard of them.

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

Roxy,

I didn't mean you honey, I was talking about a group of people who didn't seem to have anything better to do than bully others. There are certainly much more constructive things to do.

:-)))

hugs
Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

Roxy,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- yes, doing attunements without any training or supervision is really anathma to Usui Sensei's practices as I understand his views as they have been passed along

>:-}}

- and, for myself, attunements by themselves mislead about the nature of Reiki as an energy work practice

- for myself, I also do not hold with distance attunements except in rare "emergency" cases>

>:-}}

- some states are trying to "license" those who do reiki but to simply say licensed massage thereapists, for example, are permitted to do reiki does not say they must show that they have been trained (rather than simply "being attuned" - free or otherwise)

>:-}}

- however, the "free" issue is in some respects a non-issue if I read Petter's book on Usui's Legacy correctly

- Usui had a business which provided him income so he did not have to charge for his Reiki

- whether all this is entirely accurate I do not know since Petter still has a lot of "we don't know" statements in the book

- however, for himself, Petter states in the book that it is unethical to do reiki without the recipient's permission

>:-}}

- he also somewhat categorically says that reiki can do no harm

- this is misleading

reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

A Special FREE, printable, Reiki Certificate to go with all those FREE attunements (wotz an Attunement?)

see picture no 7 (bottom of page):

http://www.nexuscafe.com/bin/profiles.cgi/ShowPics/reiki/fas...

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James

James,

I should have known.

bagl
roflm?o

Those are great.

Since I don't display my certificates. I just might print a couple of those out and put them on the wall. Should inspire confidence in all who grace my table.

:-)))

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

Take a look at what they are actually planning for in UK:

http://www.reikifed.co.uk/rrwg.htm
(sorry, hyperlink didn't function, you have to copy/paste)
Read the minutes. Just as any dry, dull meeting in any office. Very organised and 'clinical' in my views and not much spirituality there.
Wasn't it you Firekeeper who talked about why should we protect citizens? Maybe it's more a question of saving one's own ass (pardon the language!) when it comes to insurance and liability matters.
No one is perfect. They have regulations in Japan and even Mr Petter goes around that by calling the Reiki sessions he and his wife gives something else! He says that on his JRT video (taken from a workshop).

Brit

James,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- What's attunements, Precious?? What's Attunements, eh??

bagl

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

NotSmeagol

Maybe they'd be best displayed under your table -- for errant or inebriated guests to discover. LOL!

Namaste

Lunarreikin

That is fantastic. LOL! Do you wish your name to be associated with it?

cheers and Namaste,

Lunarreikin

Hi Roxy,

Yikes! I share your sense of dismay! However...

I don't see as much a need for regulation, as a need for:

-establishing what Reiki is, and is not -- as a mainly oral tradition, with many offshoots, at least one good comprehensive, authoritative, well-researched book is needed to address the current state of Reiki and define its origins.

-encouraging communication between national Reiki associations worldwide, in order to come up with a thorough code of ethics and basic definition of Reiki (or agreement about what offshoots may constitute Reiki).

I don't believe it's possible to stop information being disseminated via the Internet, and I'd never wish for that, as I believe in the right to free speech. The only way to counter all the snake oil out there, is by creating a better and legitimate body of information about Reiki that may serve as a true reference point for seekers.

Frequently I am struck by how independent and fragmented Reiki practitioners and/or their associations are. I see it as a great shame -- there is so much to learn and share, and so many issues to debunk!!! I'd love to see the West talking with the East about Reiki, for one thing -- I am aware some explorations have occurred already but we could use more, IMHO. We seem to be able to Google associations in other nations, but are we talking with them? (I'm currently "un-associated," myself).

If Reiki truly is a pathway to world healing, one person at a time, then one would think that practitioners would care enough to at least call for a conference -- although could be that I'm very out of it, if such gatherings are already happening all the time.

Just a view,

Lunarreikin

Hi Lunarreikin,

I think you have come up with the best alternative I have heard of so far. Yes, it is so fragmented....I wonder why that is?

Blessings,
Roxy

Hi Roxy
I wpild say it is ego that is stopping us, that and the "if I bury my head in the sand it will go away" syndrome as well

Yes I agree with you, Lunarreikin, has come up with the best suggestion yet.
The problem is, no one will want to back off and change.

Namaste

Rob

Otoharo!

Lunarreikin, One of the first things Ms. Furumoto did after being chosen as lineage bearer, was to begin with establishing licensing. The groups she talked to about it discouraged her completely. I went through the licensing of MSW Social Workers. It is a messy business. The really gifted individual has to have room to move around in and licensing tends to constrict. She gave it up as one person could not do it.

By the way, I seem to be the only one on this board that talks about her. I have heard her speak a number of times. I find that she stays so completely in the present, on the edge of what is known, that everything she says seems to come from new revelations, and she herself is so moved by it that she stands there in her elequence, crying through it all. You can not license realness of this sort. I had no idea about the oral tradition, as in the culture I grew up in, it did not exist. I believe it now.

finality

Lunarreikin, there is the Reiki magazine which is international. I am not currently subscribing but I read my copies on hand and find new things all the time. The Alliance is international as well. Breitenbush has people coming from all over each August. There could be Reiki Gatherings of this sort in all quadrants of the states and inviting international reiki people. It is the high point of the year for me to get together where everyone is Reiki. Especially the master's meeting. Where else could one sit with other masters to discuss what's on your mind! Then the weekend includes everyone. Usually Paul Michelle and Phyllis Furumoto are there, and a Ricky and Wanja have been with us, both of whom were taught by Ms. Takata. I find it a great blessing to get to know these people in person. How else can oral tradition carry on?

finality

lunarreikin said on 12/13/2003 1:03 AM

>That is fantastic. LOL! Do you wish your name to be associated with it?

Of Course!

(didn't think to actually put my name on the cert when I designed it)

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Shiken Haramitsu Dai Ko Myo

James

Everyone, I have had further thought about how Social Wokers did it. In the first place we each have a Master degree from an accredited college and following that we have had to be supervised by a person who herself had been supervised in order to be Accredited. All of this came from Social Workers ourselves. Then when states began requiring licensing, we could use our own system. I had to contact my former supervisor and request that she respond to the state lincensing board with the information called for. All of this ended up being personally backed and not just a peice of paper.

We do have a system in place. The certificates from each teacher at each level. These certificates can not possibly be made to adhere to one standard. In the colleges granting social work master's degrees, there was no agreement necessarily among those colleges. Each college created their own standard. Some colleges became known as outstanding. Just like any profession. People go to colleges that are either convenient or who have the reputation they want to be associated with. The bare minimum requirement is sufficent. Taking written tests would be the worst type of standardization. How could a committee design such a test?

There has been an ongoing reiki class at the local community college since 1993 here in Longview. Many people here have reiki. But I never meet people who really use it and rely on it. It seems to be too cut and dried, when offered in a college setting. The individual approach is far better, even though some people who teach may not be good teachers or are able to follow up.

The teacher who can teach from their own experience of reiki can offer far more than any curriculum in my opinion. Spreading it farther does not mean quality necessarily. I am grateful that I found this setting by searching on the net. But once finding it, I never bother with the net again. There is no one who can tell me more than reiki does about what reiki can do.

Somehow, my thinking has come to this conclusion. The "system" requires information. Reiki requires and results in wisdom. Information is not wisdom. Wisdom does not come from books but from experience.

I can not say how reiki endows wisdom, but such energy as energy has to encompass all and somehow opens us to this all as we clean out our stuff (that reiki brings to our attention).

If I were called upon to pass judgment on whether a person had reiki, I would simply ask them for a reiki treatment. That would tell me. The point you make that a newcomer getting their first taste of reiki treatment who does not receive anything noteworthy will not come back again. I ahve friends all over who have this attitude and can not see why I keep insisting about reiki. There are people with college degrees that do not reflect much wisdom. So what? The person seeking will continue to seek and this seeking will result in finding.

finality

James,

namaste,

What a hoot! Great way to start my day, a roflmao!

Thank you!

Priestess

priestess said on 12/13/2003 12:17 PM

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>James,
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>namaste,
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>What a hoot! Great way to start my day, a roflmao!
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>Thank you!
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>Priestess
>

AhSo Grashopper - Reiki Sage, he say

"ROFLMAO is the Spiritual Medicine of many Illnesses..."

Kyo dake wa
roflmao....

James

Hi Finality,

The teacher who can teach from their own experience of reiki can offer far more than any curriculum in my opinion.....

There is no one who can tell me more than reiki does about what reiki can do.

My goodness Finality, what powerful and truthful statements!

With light and love,
Featherpoint