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String theory
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/
Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Dear Rob,
Great link. Good vibrations. :)

peace & joy,
holobon

Rob,

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- at this website I read: "It's not Science fiction, It's String theory"

- well, having listened to and read a bit of what some members of the "scientific community" (theoretical mathemeticians and astrophysicists, etc) have to say about String Theory, it appears that there are relatively few reputable 'scientists' in the String Theory camp - many others think that the theory is so beyond our means of "testing" that the 'theory' really amounts to the makings of science fiction

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- yet, one aspect that I like about string theory is that, intentionally or not, it seems to allude to the "web of the universe" - if not directly to Grandmother Spider

bagl

- so, if one translates "strings" into "threads"........

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Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Did you watch the program at all?
Ok yes it is still theory and the scientific community can be a bit slow to acknowledge theories unless they have total proof, hence it took them some 3 or 4000 years to acknowledge that what the early Hindu's etc were saying about the universe was probally right.

There does apperar to be several different theories to string theory, no one can quite make thier minds up yet (LOL) and it is still early days.
The program did give me lots of insights and it is explained in lay man terms, where they can.

The web of the universe. Well like lots of things that are put down as myth or religion, if this (string theory) is confirmed it will confirm those things like the web of the universe etc do exsist, So another lot of spiritual thought and beliefs will be confirmed.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Rob,

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- apart from reading, I also have watched a couple of programmes on our so-called educational networks where folks like Stephen Hawking and other illuminati of that ilk have debated String Theory, discussed the chances for a unified theory of relativity, etc, etc.

- some of these shows strike me as rather "orchestrated" as when two people, supposedly on opposite sides of an issue, go on the 'debate circuit", book various halls, and charge big bucks admission for people to hear them "debate" hot issues

- then one listens to interviews with these characters and come away wondering about the veracity of the debate

- anyhow, when someone says there is a mathematical formula to "explain" the universe I get pretty leary - remember, mathematics is a closed system of "logic" that we have developed over the years and may reflect our observations about the universe - but explain it??

- so, to say that some invented formula that may describe or seems to predict what has been occurring naturally for billions of years already is explaining anything seems illogical (and rather arrogant) to me

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Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Firekeeper,
Is there anything on the planet more arrogant than a human being?? Well, maybe a politician?
Im out of your league & Rob's in this coversation, but isnt just about any human teaching a closed system? Sources other than human arent very easy to substantiate or document. Please explain so the "logic challenged" can follow. :)

peace & joy,
holobon

Hi Holobon
Well I think that as humans we try to understand what goes on around us. These days we have better education, so don't have to resort to the closed minded superstition that once prevailed.
Logic I think is there for a reason, all things are logical, even those that are beyond our current ability to see as logic, but to see those, to my mind we have to srep outside of that logic at times.
Scientists use math to explain thier theroies, just as we would perhaps talk about other dimensions, spirit guides etc to explain ours.
Part of string theory is about other dimensions. Ok perhaps at the moment science fiction, but how much of that has become science fact in the last few years.

Everything has logic and reason, even that which we can not percive as having that yet.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Rob,

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- but, remember, there may be aspects to the Universe which are beyond what we call "logic" (Logic is also a closed system of reasoning - founded in philosophy no less)

bagl

- and, I haven't yet quite absorbed the "logic" behind Chaos Theory - since predicting something a long way ahead in the future runs afoul of, among other 'forces', the matter of uncertainty. Heisenberg would be so pleased.

bagl

- as for various dimensions? I have no problem with this. But, it is difficult to imagine that movement from one dimension to another is governed by the same "laws" (logic) that allow us to walk from the sofa to the kitchen and back

bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

my dearest holobon-bon,

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- yes, arrogance finds no better breeding and home grounds than we humans (siamese cats excepted, of course)

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- and, I can empathize (but is that logical??) that you perhaps classify politicians as 'other-than-human??

bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Well yes it can be difficult to imagine that movement from one dimension to another is governed by the same "laws" (logic) that allow us to walk from the sofa to the kitchen and back,
but that is only because it is beyond our current understanding of how to do it.

It is said that when White man reached the shores of what is now the USA that the native people didn't see the ships, why?. Because they ( The ships) were beyond there comprehension, so in reality, because it is beyond your/our comprehension about moving into other dimensions by the laws of logic, dosn't mean that it isn't being done.
The thing is we just don't know at the present moment.

I have said before that this stuff should be looked at with an open mind.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Rob,

Hi.

There is a difference between doing something and 'understanding' something. I have a friend who, some years ago, decided to go back and try to finish an engineering degree he had left sitting (in favor of another discipline). One evening I stoped by to see him and he was working some sort of advanced math. I commented that I never understood or could do that stuff. He commented back that he didn't understand it but he could do the problems.

Kinda like astral travel or dimensional shifting I suppose.

lol

Cheers (pangalactic gargle blasters to rinse away inter-dimensional dust)

RC