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posted at 4/20/2003 9:57 PM
ID# 49306
Looking for information on Celtic spirituality from any one who would like to talk about it. Thanks.

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/23/2003 12:38 PM
ID# 49428
This is a reply to: 49306

namaste treewalker,
i am also very much interested in celtic spirituality and would love to read/learn more about it.

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/23/2003 6:07 PM
ID# 49447
This is a reply to: 49428

nemaste ji skywatcher

Delighted to here from someone else who shares an interest in the same things. If you like I have a list of books that I have read and a lot of books that I would like to read.
Is there any specific area of Celtic spiritualism that you are interested in or are you like me and read anything you can get your hands on. The one I just finished is "Fire in the Head". Its about Celtic Shamanism.

Reply when you can.

Treewalker

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/24/2003 11:48 AM
ID# 49484
This is a reply to: 49447
how exciting! i am always looking for new reading suggestions. i am very interested in learning about the various celtic goddesses and their energies. celtic shamanism is also something i have become quite fascinated with of late.
while i am not of irish/celtic descent (at least not in this particular lifetime), i have always been drawn to celtic lore since i was a young child. so, yeah, any reading material i can get my hands on.
thank you for your suggestion, i will look for it.
namaste,
skywatcher.

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/24/2003 8:30 PM
ID# 49511
This is a reply to: 49484

You don't have to be of Celtic ancestry to have a love of nature and that is the basis of the Celts ways. They were the same as many ancient cultures that worshipped the Goddess (Mother Earth). The North American native people believed and worshiped in very much the same way for example. And who knows maybe you do have a little Celtic blood in you, their lands spread from the British Isles to as far as Greece and Rome at one time. You would be surprised how many of our modern day celebrations and rituals are Celtic in origin.
As for my connection with the Celts, I was the first in my family to be born outside of Scotland. My family goes back a long way. Both sides were Highlanders and my mother's side deep rooted in the "Old Ways". My Grand parents on my mothers side used to tell me stories of the Faery People. My father and I were there 3 years ago and I walked amongst the Standing Stones. A feeling hard to explain.
I am getting carried away, my apologies.
I have a good list of books and web sites full of information that I would be glad to share. I will send you some if you like.
My favourite saying is:
You can take the Celt out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the Celt.

nemaste
Treewalker.

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 1:57 PM
ID# 49540
This is a reply to: 49306
treewalker,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- there is a plethora of books on Celtic traditions, Druidism, etc.

- some certainly better than others

- as one who relates closely to the Celtic Spirit and particularly the Druids I am glad to discuss such matters

>:-}}

I have a number of book titles on my shelves if you are interested - again some better volumes than others (in my view) - and I am glad to E-mail you the titles

- yet there is something to learn from all views

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper


re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 2:05 PM
ID# 49542
This is a reply to: 49306
treewalker,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- upon further reading of your posts in this thread it is obvious you already have some connections

>:-}}

- we will be in the Highlands in October for the annual Highland Archaeology Week and the Royal National Mod, this year the venue being in Oban

- we are really drooling over the latter progamme and location -

- haggis and single malts accompanied by traditional gaelic music and poetry competitions

- it rarely gets better than that

>:-}}}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 3:20 PM
ID# 49547
This is a reply to: 49542


Greetings Firekeeper and thank you for responding. I would be very interested in the book titles so please send them.
As for the malts, there is a brewery in every town so the selections are many. As for the haggis, it is best fried (my opinion only).
...
/ ! \

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 3:30 PM
ID# 49548
This is a reply to: 49547
treewalker,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- would that be pan-fried or deep-fried??

>:-}}

- about my favorite S-malt is a 12 year olde GlenMorangie Port Wood Finish

- The 12 yo GlenMorangie Sherry Wood Finish runs a decent second

>:-}}

- I will get those titles to you over the weekend

- have a great one

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 3:54 PM
ID# 49550
This is a reply to: 49548

To be Honest I am not a drinker so I couldn't tell you.
The haggis though was pan fried.
The best I had was at a Bed and Breakfast on the Isle of Skye just over the bridge on your left.

Again: Thanks.

/!\

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 4:08 PM
ID# 49551
This is a reply to: 49550
Treewalker,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- best I've had was at Borgie Lodge, near Scourie

- referred to by the Chef as Dornoch haggis

- it was baked

- yum

- we will get to Isle of Skye on our trip and will be searching for hotel or B&B so will look for the place you recommend (don't recall the name by chance?)

- take care,

Reiki all around

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/25/2003 4:55 PM
ID# 49553
This is a reply to: 49551
I just had a look and I have business cards from only two that I stayed at. But I can e-mail my family and they will know the place and I will get back to you.
You can't miss the B&B. It is just to your left as you cross the bridge, if you drive 500ft you'll go past it.
Cost us 12 pound to cross that bridge(One car 4 people).
There is a ferry at the south end of the Isle that only costs 6 pound. Make sure you can all swim before get on, it is amazing trip. Geting off it was the scary part, the boat doesn't exactly line up with the concrete ramp. My cousin got reacquainted with God real quick on that 'boat'. I never heard so many Hail Mary's. Holds only 2 cars at a time. Lands on a road that goes to Glen Elg. You must go to see the Broches there they are incredible.

Treewalker
/!\

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/26/2003 8:55 AM
ID# 49578
This is a reply to: 49553
treewalker,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- most kind.

- the ferry to Orkney was a great ride - proper docks and all that

>:-}}

- what you describe sounds a bit more "extreme" - the type of travfel that is a good job for Ganesha's blessings

>:-}}

- we certainly will check out the brochs if we have time - saw some only moderately intact ones on Orkney

take care,

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/26/2003 10:16 AM
ID# 49584
This is a reply to: 49578
treewalker and Firekeeper,

I couldn't help stepping in here. Reading your posts has taken me down memory lane today, and what good memories I have of bonnie Scotland!

I must ask you both have either of you been to Iona?

Too good to miss if you haven't. I felt a good deal of energy on this tiny historic and beautiful Island. So much so I had to take a seat for a while.

Read on if you're interested... The Celtic Cross is mentioned towards the end if you haven't time to read all of this!

The main street led up from the jetty, past the Post Office and grocer's shop. Within a few hundred metres I reached the entrance to the ruins of the nunnery dating from the early thirteenth century. All that remains today are the chancel, nave and parts of the vaulted roof of the chapel. Many old tombs can still be seen, including that of the last prioress, Anna, who died in 1543. There was a steady stream of tourists filing through on their way to the abbey. It seemed a shame that few took the time to stop and look around them, as if it was barely worthy of their attention. The ground was a carpet of short grass, with flowerbeds adding splashes of purple and red. The gardener was trimming the edges as the sun came and went. I sat on one of the benches gazing at a row of three arches edged with pale stones. The ruins were a mishmash of colours ranging from pink to grey, enclosed by a matching oblong wall. On the other side, children were playing in the school yard. At the far end, a gate opened out onto the road and I rejoined the procession of modern pilgrims reciting passages from their guide books.

The pink stone abbey rose out of the fields in front of me, as a group of workers from the religious community toiled amongst the vegetables. By the roadside, MacLean's Cross, some three metres high, stood over them watching and waiting for more of the faithful to arrive. A marker predicting the end of the journey for centuries of believers.

With a view to giving myself as much time in the abbey as possible, I thought it best to eat first and visit later, especially since I had to be back on the bus at 3.15pm. In the hopes of finding a quiet spot for lunch, I continued along the road to the northern tip of the island. After a mile or so, past the odd farmhouse, I reached a track leading through sandy fields to hidden dunes. Standing on the highest point, I could see a golden stretch of sand to my left and a group of youngsters disappearing down to what must have been another beach on the other side. Out to sea, Staffa pointed the shadowy mouths of Fingal's Cave and the Boat Cave directly at me. To the north-west, the lumps and bumps of the Treshnish Isles were clearly visible, with the outlines of Coll, Tiree, Rum and Eigg in the background. Looking back down Iona's coast, I could see the ferry crossing over to Fionnphort. In the distance I could make out my old friends the Paps of Jura, some thirty-five miles further south.

After lunch, I returned to the abbey, passing a considerable number of other walkers and day-trippers heading for the beaches. A volunteer in the reception hut handed me a leaflet and I placed some money in the donation box for the Iona Cathedral Trust.

Following repeated attacks by Norse invaders, little remains of Columba's early Christian monastery today. The present abbey dates from Medieval times. After the Reformation, it fell into ruin and the royal gravestones were almost lost under the weeds. It wasn't until the start of the 20th century that the church itself was restored when the Duke of Argyll made it over to the Iona Cathedral Trust. In 1938, George Macleod, a minister in Glasgow, founded the Iona Community and initiated the long process of reconstructing the monastic buildings.

In front of the west door stands a carved cross commemorating the fourth-century French bishop Saint Martin. Once inside the nave, the church revealed itself to be brighter than I had imagined. Yet it soon became clear that this wasn't the place for quiet contemplation and recollection, not at the height of the tourist season at least. Some tried to pray, whilst masses milled around them. I put the camcorder away. It would have been too much of an intrusion.

Several doors led through the north wall where there was much coming and going. I passed through to the other side and found myself in the cloisters. Warm sunlight caressed the stone curves as rows of perfect arches ran endlessly round. In the middle of the grassy quadrangle stood The Descent of the Spirit, a strange work of art (by Jacob Libschitz, a Holocaust refugee) which has been made green by the ravages of the elements. Here, few dared break the spell. I half-expected to see a hooded monk shuffle past. What secrets lay behind the upper windows, what events imprinted on the stone walls, what answers to life's questions? Just as in other cathedrals I have visited, I could feel the weight of the centuries in the air and in the very fabric of the building. Perhaps there were hidden passageways leading back into history. Scenes from Umberto Eco's Name of the Rose came to mind, as I wondered if the monks had jealously guarded their store of written knowledge. Ancient knights carved on memorial stones leant against the walls like silent witnesses.

In one of the corners came the inevitable reminder of the twentieth century. Bowing their heads in single-file, the tourists trampsed over well-worn slabs leading through a tiny passageway into the cramped giftshop. In a Mecca-like swirl, we all spun around the central table of souvenir key-rings, pencil sharpeners and stickers. Lumps of polished green stone lay in a basket. This was Iona marble for which quarrying has now been stopped. At the back of the room, there seemed to be a good selection of religious and history books, but the general over-crowding soon chased me back out to the relative harmony of the cloisters.

It seemed a shame that most people, myself included, had only limited time to spend on Iona, consequently rushing to "do" the abbey and seeing little of the rest of the island. With the majority on day-trips either from Mull or Oban, it must be difficult for them to appreciate any of the real tranquillity or timelessness of the place. I felt there was much more here to which I hadn't been able to do justice. Slaves to our coach and ferry schedules, we latter-day pilgrims merely went through the motions like pre-programmed robots.

I went outside, past the old caretaker's house and around the back of the abbey to the infirmary, now a museum. Opening the heavy door, I found a time-switch for the lights and a room full of early Christian and Medieval stones. At one end stood the partly reconstituted form of Saint John's Cross, possibly the first ever Celtic ringed cross. Its position in front of the abbey is now occupied by a replica, whilst the shattered original is pieced together with perspex.

I returned to the front of the building and noticed the sign for Saint Columba's shrine. The cell was illuminated by a single candle next to an open bible. Nearby is Saint Oran's Chapel which sits in a burial ground containing the bones of 48 Scottish kings, including Macbeth and Duncan I, together with numerous other sovereigns from Ireland, France and Norway. Legend has it that when the rest of the world sinks below the waves, Iona will remain. However, nothing very recognisable is left of the tombs today, but the chapel, dating from the eleventh century and probably the oldest building on the island, is intact.


Iona of my heart, Iona of my love,
Instead of monks' voices there shall be lowing of cattle:
But before the world comes to an end
Iona shall be as it was
Thought to be the words of Saint Columba shortly before he died
(according to the Life of Saint Columba, the biography written by Saint Adamnan).

I don't know who wrote that but here is a link to a site where you can use the virtual tour, of course there are many more sites.

Seachd bliadhna 'n blr'ath
Thig muir air Eirinn re aon tr'ath
'S thar Ile ghuirm ghlais
Ach sn'amhaidh I Choluim Chl'eirich

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The prophecy above tells that seven years before the day of judgement the ocean will sweep over both Ireland and Islay. Yet the Isle of St Columba (Iona) will swim above the waves.

take care you all,
maat


re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/26/2003 7:57 PM
ID# 49610
This is a reply to: 49584
To maat:

Its strange that you mentioned The Duke of Argyll as he is the head of our clan. My family belongs to the Campbell of Argyll clan and I went to the seat of our clan and visited his castle at Inverary.

Sorry to say that my travels never got me to Iona although I did pick up myself a miniature replica of the Iona Cross. I fully intend to return again many times in the future. My trip was more of a personal one. I wanted to visit the places of my ancestors. As it was my first visit my fathers family had a 'gathering of the clan' for me. It was great but only my local family was able to attend due to short notice but I met about 75 family members. Next day we drove to the oldest surviving member of my family's home. He was 88 at the time. His memory was very sharp minded and he was in good heath. Oh the stories he told!

It was when I went to see the village of my great great grandfather (on my mothers side) the I felt the...I can't think of a word to describe them...connection to the past. His home was still there just as in the pictures my mother had shown me. A Welch couple had bought the place and were in the process of restoring it and were not there to talk to. But across the road the ruins of his blacksmith shop still stand today. There are no words to describe the feeling of standing in the very same spot that you know your ancestors stood. We then went to the church yard to see the family stone. It bares the names of all those family members buried there for almost 200 years.

Blessings
Treewalker

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 4/27/2003 7:06 AM
ID# 49626
This is a reply to: 49610
Hi Treewalker,

Thanks very much for the post, I found it SO interesting. It must have been a wonderful experience, as you said, probably no words to describe it. You are fortunate to have been able to trace all your family members down to that village. Fantastic!

One of our favourite haunts used to be Glencoe in the Highlands, I felt so at home there. One day I was in a bookstore in Fort William and decided to check out my family name. I didn't know anything of it's origins at that point. It turns out that we were part of the Macintyre Clan and were wood cutters. The name also appeared (according to the book) to orinate from Glencoe.

There is a superb guest house in Glencoe we used to stay at. It's called, 'The pier House', I think it's about 400 years old. Linda and Dave Smith who run it are a really nice couple. So if anyone goes to that area do drop in, you'll enjoy the swan's sticking their heads through the window in the Breakfast room waiting for their breakfast too!

happy memories,
maat

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 5/15/2003 7:38 PM
ID# 50473
This is a reply to: 49306

Hello, Treewalker,
Not sure which aspect of said topic is of interest, but I am in a theological book group, and currently we are musing upon Anam Cara (John O'Donohue). If you are not familiar with the book, it is mostly about the heart and soul of Celtic spirituality, and not too much into information on ritual. Almost like a long, beautiful poem.
Have you read it?
Feather

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 5/18/2003 11:13 PM
ID# 50632
This is a reply to: 50473
Hello to you too Feather:
Yes I have about a year ago. I found it to be very good. I have lent it out and should be getting it back shortly. What parts did you like the most or was it the whole book in general? I have just finished a book called Fire in the Head by Tom Cowan. It is about Celtic Shamanism also a good read.

/!\
Treewalker

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 5/22/2003 10:44 PM
ID# 50921
This is a reply to: 50632

Hello, Treewalker,
Thanks for the book recommendation. Gonna put that one on my list!
I must say I have been enjoying Anam Cara in its totality. (On my second reading now!)My favorite poem is the one on friendship and my favorite line was, " May you always be in the gentle nest of belonging with your anam cara."
I felt a palpable resonance with almost every word in this book.
Peace,
Feather

re: Celtic spirituality

posted at 5/26/2003 6:45 PM
ID# 51077
This is a reply to: 50921

I found this book very spiritually uplifting and shared a lot of it's contents with friends. This is another excellent book of John's so I've been told. Eternal Echoes: Celtic Reflections on Our Yearning to Belong.