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just heard on 'Aussie news' could be as many as 18,000 dead in that earth quake I was saying about in my 1st post topic......here now 9th oct....
dear God, we have abused this earth so much, Karma, comes hard to mind
luv Wendy x

Perhaps, not Karma so much, as the coming Big Shift. This is not punishment. the Universe does not judge, thus does not punish. Our energy causes things, not karma.

finality

I do not mean to imply that our energy caused all this disaster. It is geological causes. We do bend time every which way. We can put love into the fault lines to ease these shifts. However, we did not cause them.

finality

thanks for that....all food for thought...
also I truly believe now a days with all our modern tech: stuff, we now 'know' the 'fault' lines in the earth that are prone to quakes...they didn't when they built these old cities....when you look at a world map it's now like a jig-saw puzzle, (but the pieces fit back to-gether.....)
sad part is they will re-built on the 'same ground'.....
like in New Orleans, that city should 'never' have been built below water level....do we learn..nooo, they will re-build it in the same place, & the same will happen again in 'time'....
mother Earth claims her own back, always has always will,
are we, the 'human race' so 'pompous' as to think we can conquer her!!? just MHO luv Wendy ann x

wow! Finality,
I just posted about that, then I saw your post ???
I think I have created two threads here??
we are here to 'learn' & in this day & age, why 'don't' we listen...to all sides..science, & our knowledge of the fault lines, we now have the knowledge & power to 'change'some things.....
a lot of things 'are' going to happen what ever we do....
luv Wendy Ann x

Dear Wamps,
It is popular notion that the Earth is taking it's revenge on us & that is like believing that a loving God destroys people, sends floods & disaster to wipe out His people. See no logic in it at all.
Our error is in not accepting that humans have limitations, that Earth has inherent characteristics & we need to understand both.
Many practices of daily living have resulted in destruction of the earth. But the geography of the Earth was formed way before humans abused her. Earthquakes & volcanoes, floods, etc are just Earth being earth. If we all moved to another planet today, would that stop earthquakes & volcanoes & floods? Pollution might reverse & rape of the forests would stop but other occurrences do not depend on us. When will we learn that life does not revolve around us?

peace & joy,
holobon

Well stated, Holobon.

Bruce

holobon,

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- are you saying we are not the center of the universe???

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

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dear holobon,
nicely said, well thought out and rational in its perspective
reiki all around
ray

hi there Holobon,
think you misunderstood what I was saying & what I was meaning, I was saying lets hope we learn through these disasters & now 'WE NOW KNOW'where all these fault lines are, not to build in the same place twice.....'God has' destroyed millions of homes completely, trying to 'warn us' it's a 'no go zone'!!....but we don't listen & rebuild in the same places....
we know where these 'no-go' zones are now, so we are 'killing ourselves!!!!'
so in essence I am saying the same as you...
luv Wendy x

Wamps,

It's easy to misunderstand the previous message, which was, "just heard on 'Aussie news' could be as many as 18,000 dead in that earth quake I was saying about in my 1st post topic......here now 9th oct....
dear God, we have abused this earth so much, Karma, comes hard to mind " It seemed at least to imply some causal connection between 1) abusing the earth, and 2) the earthquake. I'm glad you subsequently explained that it's not what you meant.

Bruce

wamps said on

>hi there Holobon,
>think you misunderstood what I was saying & what I was meaning, I was saying lets hope we learn through these disasters & now 'WE NOW KNOW'where all these fault lines are, not to build in the same place twice.....'God has' destroyed millions of homes completely, trying to 'warn us' it's a 'no go zone'!!....but we don't listen & rebuild in the same places....
>we know where these 'no-go' zones are now, so we are 'killing ourselves!!!!'
>so in essence I am saying the same as you...
>luv Wendy x