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Hi all,
hope this finds you all well, & happy.
I was reading though all the posts I could, the ones on our current disasters...
I came to think that 'OUR' meaning of highest possible 'good' may not be what 'WE'(some of us) truly conceive it to be?? 'GOOD'???????????
we think that sending 'healing for their highest good'..will make them well & better.....
I learned this to be sometimes the 'opposite' of what 'I' thought &..... if that animal, person, is very sick or what ever? it may well be 'for their highest good to be dead'..
we should not think we failed...

in some of the worlds awful disasters we are saddened by so much death, but maybe this 'has' to be..SO others MAY live..
I remember once sending Reiki to a sick chicken, the very next day it was dead..now that chicken may have lingered on for a week with out my sending Reiki 'for its highest good'..I conceived good, as GOOD, as what I wanted it to be,
so I indeed felt I HAD failed, but came to realize I hadn't...as it was out of it's pain...... (still dead!)
what I am trying to say is IMHO, this also goes for mankind!
& we should be aware this could, & indeed should,& does happen, if it is what is to be....we can pray, send Reiki to save the world etc...BUT, if it is meant to BE so, mans downfall & the end of our planet as we know it...it WILL BE!! even if we send 'HIGHEST POSSIBLE GOOD'..maybe the end is 'good'!!! & maybe this goes for 'peoples' in some disasters, maybe their highest good is 'their' end!......

hope I have made sense to you all?, sure something we should all be aware of (don't you think?) we do it with 'GOOD' intent...there's THAT WORD AGAIN...GOOD??..
luv to you all, Wendy Ann xxx

Hi Wendy,

Namaste :>}}

Regarding "for the highest good", I believe that has to be sent without us putting ANY meaning on it ... in other words we put ourselves totally aside when sending in this manner.

I too have treated animals and people in this fashion, sometimes they have improved, and sometimes their passing has been speedy ... maybe the Reiki helped in both scenarios.

But providing our intent is pure, in other words not coloured by what we would like to happen - then I believe it WILL be for the highest good.

Healing does not always mean a cure. It may, it may not.

But as you rightly say, if something, or someone dies, we should not think the Reiki, or ourselves, are failing. It may be that that was the outcome which was "for the highest good."

We should not ourselves, have a say in the outcome, we hand it over to the ULE. We merely clear ourselves as a channel and send or give the Reiki with pure intent.

I think you are absolutely right Wendy Ann, and you have made perfect sense.

Thank you.

Philanty

Otoharo!

What you are bringing up is judgement. We do not have the perspective to judge anything. So just be reiki. Spend the whole time being mindful that we remain clear and intent upon reiki. Period.

finality

hi Finality,
no I am not bringing 'judgment into it at all,'
I am saying "Reiki will do what Reiki wants", not what 'we' send & ask it to do!.... that was my meaning!!!..no 'judgment' intended in that post what so ever?.......

I was pointing out 'my own' observations as to how I had learned this,...not always for 'good' as we humans see it...
& not to feel failer if your intent did not have the out come you had hoped for....this can be hard for 'new one's to understand when first coming into learning Reiki...

I was reading through all the post's about the bad disasters this year, & reading what people were sending Reiki 'to' & Reiki circles to heal the planet..it may not happen...it may happen..... no judgment there! just be aware, Reiki does what 'it' wants, not us!!

so I really do not understand your post at all...
Wendy Ann xx

Of course I cannot speak for miss finality. But what she is saying does indeed have bearing. And what you are talking about is judgement. You're both agreeing from my perspective. Basically you seem to be saying leave judgement out of it. you're just saying it in your way. Where as she's being more direct on it.

Even sending with the intent it is for one's highest good is placing a judgement. The more you can shut your mind off and just let the energy flow the less imprint of any kind ( not to mention personal energy) is involved.

Instead of thinking " here have energy to heal" or " here have energy for your highest good." Just think " here have energy." In this manner it is really for their highest good.

Wendy,

Hi.

If someone has asked for energy then we must accept that he\she will use it the best she\he may. The energy does not know what highest good is. And it is not up to us to project our notions of 'good' onto others (or try to attach our Intentions to the energy)

If one sends energy where it is not asked then one always runs the risk that someone or more than one someone may 'mis-interpret' the energy in some way (and that could be harmful). Sending to folks with severe psychiatric disorders would be the proto-typical case (they are likely to misinterpret the experience of the energy and may not be legally competent to give permission for Reiki or any other treatment). So consult legal guardians.

Permission first!

Cheers,

RC

Hi Wendy Ann,
I was taught that when giving or sending Reiki, one must have no attachment to the outcome. Reiki is not given or sent, it is drawn by the recipient or situation for them or it to decide what to do with it. We only have to intend to be used as a channel, anything to do with attachment to outcome involves us playing with that thing called ego.
Much light to you and yours, Ray

Otoharo!

Wendy, you are not familiar with my vocabulary. Let me start over here. One of the spiritual steps we take is learning how to let go of judgement. We know the Source does not judge anyone at any time, (despite the fact that religions have forever maintained that there is a last judgement, etc.) Your post is showing non judgement. I was complementing.

We are not in a position to call anything good or bad. We can not determine right or wrong, negative positive. All these judgemental terms are ego based for we have not the perspective to know any of this. Nor does the Source either.

But boy, ego can tell you, day and night all about these things!

finality

Hi there Finality,
Thankyou for explaining 'your ways',
as you say "I am not familiar with your vocabulary"...we are from all over the globe, this can sometimes be a draw back & cause a misunderstanding, (as I said in my 1st visit to the boards,) if people do not understand me, or my way please let me know?, Australia is a lot different from where you are, so I truly thank you for your responce...
take care, luv Wendy Ann xx

Hi R C,
firstly while I have it in mind...Reiki can do no 'harm',
if reiki does not know the word 'good', then it goes that it does not know the word 'harm'.(you cannot harm any living thing with Reiki !!)
I would 'NEVER' send Reiki to a 'person' with out firstly getting their 'permission',(I don't recall saying I did!).

I don't ask birds, animals, fish or plants for their permission! I just send the 'energy' to them, they will either except it or reject it, I have never had a rejection yet!.

it is clear that my reiki master taught me one way, & yours another, (don't know yours as no profile)...but reiki 'IS Reiki'...one for all, & all for the same cause..... love..
thank you for your post,
luv Wendy Ann xx

hello Ray,
yes, that is exactly what I am saying...
In my post, just trying to point out to the 'new ones' coming to Reiki, that Reiki will do what Reiki will do....
we all 'hope', it will heal & even cure, & for 'them' not to feel 'inadequate' with Reiki in anyway, or to feel they have 'failed', with the wrong,(but hoped for) thing coming forth, just me being a 'feeler' again for everyone else eh! :-}
cheers to you & yours,
luv Wendy Ann xx

hi there Philanty,
I thank you so much for your reply..
I have seen many a budding Reiki teacher loose the path when things did not turn out as 'they thought' they should.
I wrote this to, umm, to try & keep them on their journey, & not get discouraged, but learn, learn, learn,
as we need all the Reiki people we can get!
love to you..
Wendy Ann xxx

thank you confl:
I agree 100%..& thank you for your reply..
"have a nice day",
luv, Wendy Ann xx

conflagration said on

>Of course I cannot speak for miss finality. But what she is saying does indeed have bearing. And what you are talking about is judgement. You're both agreeing from my perspective. Basically you seem to be saying leave judgement out of it. you're just saying it in your way. Where as she's being more direct on it.
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>Even sending with the intent it is for one's highest good is placing a judgement. The more you can shut your mind off and just let the energy flow the less imprint of any kind ( not to mention personal energy) is involved.
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>Instead of thinking " here have energy to heal" or " here have energy for your highest good." Just think " here have energy." In this manner it is really for their highest good.

Hi Conflagration,

I was always told to send Reiki for the Highest and Greatest Good. After reading all the posts I do see how judgement/ego play a part in that statement. I was also taught that we could send Reiki to a specific purpose. For example when my cat was bit I asked the energy to go to his wound and heal him of the infection he got. I normally don't ask for something specicific but in this case I felt as if I should since that was the problem.

I am wondering where you received knowlegde of this from. Please do tell us more about this.

When I send Reiki I ask that the Reiki be sent for the highest and greatest good. I've actually been reading about how people who practice Reiki can get caught up in thinking they are doing the healing. I am not one of these people. I just want to do what is right and just and if sending with the intent of the highest and greatest good is brining judgement or the ego into this I don't want that to happen.

Wendy,

Hi.

All human endeavors, including Reiki practices, may lead to unexpected, 'harmful' or unpleasant effects. That is the nature of the Karma with which we are all 'burdened'. It als reflects the importance that Intention and Mindfulness have in everything we do (including Reiki practices).

If you always ask permission then the recipient will use the energy they receive to the best of their ability. The "healing" results will not, as we know, always be exactly as one might want (or what practitioner might want).

Now, is any good result "the highest good"?? Some would say yes. Other than that? I doubt that we, as very fallible sentients, have any real notion of what the "highest good' might be (no matter how often we toss that expression around).

Cheers,

RC

Hi there RC,
I really think these posts have been well & truly covered by all angles now,
we all beg to differ on some things, we all had different Reiki master teachings 'their' Way..
But I will just say that I STILL believe Reiki can do no 'HARM', unpleasant side effects yes,as things are 'shifted', & the person has long held onto problems, but 'shifting & releasing' these blockages does NO HARM,it does 'GOOD', 'THATS' what was keeping that person, sick, unhappy, or for what ever he seeked out Reki for in the first place!!
so my friend we must beg to differ on this subject but really I think we are both saying the same...
have a nice day :-} Wendy Ann xxx

As with anything this is of course my opinion. Not stating it is fact but as fact from my own understandings. My fact doesn't have to be another's.

That being said I came to this conclusion through conversation with others and through my own learning experiences after becoming Reiki.

Many western Reiki classes do not address the importance of things like mindfulness and getting out of the way mentally. they might hint at the concept with statements like " be the hollow bone and let Reiki flow unhindered." But rarely do I think it is more directly discussed.

It's about inner reflection really. Think about it like this. We know that having an intent can then shape the energy a specific way. So then we aren't reallys ending Reiki in the form it came through us but more shaping it before we send to another.

Since none of us are perfect in the direct sense we use the term our own energies are mucked up a bit. When we have intent we are allowing our personal energy into the mix as well.

I think it's normal for personal energy to get in but it's a matter of seeing this as "what happens" or seeing this as something that over time with diligent practice can b at least mostly overcome.

Sending for one's highest good does not let the person live their own life. We are placing a determination on how the energy is used. Really it comes down to just being one more intent. What if in a person's own path they choose not to use it for their highest good?

I agree we do not heal another, we can only heal ourselves. The person utilizes the energy as they choose to. My point is that I feel it's best to let them choose.

Also I try to examine why we would choose to send for a particular thing. What motivates us to think to send in a particular way? Be that "for their highest good" or " for the sprained ankle" etc.

Otoharo!

It's good to hear your voice here. I agree. This is well thought out.

finality

Well I think now is a good time to bring up what you yourself just said. We come from different RM's with different perspectives. The question I think many of us need to work out for ourselves is not " What did my RM teach me?" but " What is MY Way?". Step outside the boundaries of that which is taught. Even if your RM would look negatively at a particular understanding, your path is yours to walk. Take what others say with consideration but use it to flesh out what YOU believe. Don't try to walk in their footsteps. Then you are just carrying on that which may be wrong.

I think one of the funniest things someone can say in a discussion is " my RM says". People often tout that which they were taught but never think to analyze the information they are given or to put it into the context of other beliefs they hold which are in fact contradictory.

On the subject of Reiki doing no harm. I agree Reiki energy does not harm. That however does not mean that people do not harm. I think it was mr rob who previously brought up the old saying " Guns don't kill people, people kill people." We can make erroneous judgements ourselves. We can be involved emotionally in an outcome and send our gunk on to someone else. Or be violating someone else's life choices.All while sending sweet non-harmful reiki energy.I do feel this is something that should be considered by all who work with energy. Alot of what often gets regurgitated is not much more than an excuse to rid one's self of personal responsibility.IT's like saying we as reiki practitioners are free from error because reiki is perfect. IT may be , we are nowhere near close. Even funnier is when someone will tout their rm's teachings over 5-20 or so different rm's seeing eye to eye on a subject.Sure it's no guarantee this mob of rm's knows what they are talking about. But the same is easily said of the one rm.

For myself I've realized a great deal of how I was taught was not correct and not what I thought I was getting at all.

: ) *hugs for miss finality*

conflagration said on

>As with anything this is of course my opinion. Not stating it is fact but as fact from my own understandings. My fact doesn't have to be another's.

hi there, this being said by you...does not mean others ways of "sending for there highest good" .....as wrong...
you have your way others have theirs....

I am with voodoodoll on this one, keep Reiki 'simple', I was taught if you "THINK IT CAN BE DONE" do it as it can not harm!! I was also taught to send to the problem that the 'person' HAD ASKED ME to send it to,eg: stomach pain, send it to the 'asked' for area for their highest good...
OK they may end up in hospital & have a bad operation!..but that was going to happen anyway..Reiki just speeded it up, so it still was 'good'!!

OK, the man behind the 'gun' pulls the trigger to harm another.( what a silly thing to bring up???) you CAN NOT send Reiki to HARM ANYBODY , your talking in riddles..if you think Reiki can be sent to harm,( you are making it evil!)
then you are NOT ( IMO) a true Reiki person & need to do a lot more work, on yourself & do some more learning...wow you have a real ego problem, IMHO....
luv Wendy Ann xxx

Wow, you're a bit aggressive over simple discussion. Have a coke and a smile , eh?

As you quoted me as saying that I was stating my opinion, then I do wonder why it is you would then think i'm being ego-tistical. Matter of factly I believe my statement eradicated a good 90% or so of what you said ( that's an approximation based on totally random guess.. a only slightly veiled mockery of your overenthusiastic gibberish)

I did say why I felt it was wrong. If you have a reason to think otherwise other than " because that's the way it is" then by all means share it and we can continue friendly discussion.

Thirdly, I strongly believe that had you actually read what I said you'd have seen that none of my examples were even remotely "evil" or "malign". So why you would then choose to tell me that i "if you think Reiki can be sent to harm,( you are making it evil!)
then you are NOT ( IMO) a true Reiki person & need to do a lot more work, on yourself & do some more learning...wow you have a real ego problem, IMHO.... "

Do you have proof it can't? Have you ever tried? OR known anyone who has directly tried? My guess is no. Neither have I. Most Reiki practitioners wouldn't do such a thing. So then how would we actually know?If you used Reiki to harm someone attacking you unprovoked or attacking your loved ones or even say a stranger, would it then be "evil"? Not saying I would do this either. But I have contemplated such things.

So if for some reason you don't care to see whati have to say feel free to ignore it.

As you openly displayed poor reading comprehension at least twice I think this is about the point you should shut the hell up and think twice about your own attitude before trying to tell another they are unreiki and have more learning to do. I admit I do. Do you?

P.S. I am editing this in as I just came across it and was quite shocked and amazed as well as teetering on the edge of the state known "as laughing my ass off".

You'll dig this one Wendy.

"& if ever you don't UNDERSTAND MY MEANING in any of my post's please say so, then there will be no upsets or hurt feelings or misunderstandings OK? I say this as now in the computer age where 'distance for conversations is nothing', & people coming in from ALL over the world, different things & words mean different things!!! wow that sounds strange! but I'm sure you all know what I mean...."

As the message was very clearly from you when you said hello to the forum I have to ask why it is that you would ask this of others then jump on me without seeking some form of clarrification before getting on my case? Seeing as how you seem the type that wants to avoid such things and all. * insert eye rolling here with overly large sarcastic grin*

" OK, the man behind the 'gun' pulls the trigger to harm another.( what a silly thing to bring up???) you CAN NOT send Reiki to HARM ANYBODY , your talking in riddles..if you think Reiki can be sent to harm,( you are making it evil!) "

Well Wamps

Do you believe in asking for or gaining permission from some before you send Reiki, or are you one of those who asks your higher self to ask their higher self?

It is all down to intention. You may intend to do nothing but good, but if the person recieving dosn't want it, then they could construe it as a psychic attack.
For an exapmle of this read Essentiial Reiki By Diana Stien. She gives an example of where someone offered her Healing and she refused, but the person decided they knew best and sent anyway. It made life very difficult for Ms Stien for a few days. So was that harmless?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Very good point Rob. You know my feelings on this subject.
Unwanted energy is at best just plain rude, at worst...well 'psychic attack' is putting it mildly.

Nice to see you again :-)

Rob,
'of cause' I ask for their 'permission', & if the answer is 'no' I don't send it, it's THAT SIMPLE!!.......but even if I did send it with out permission, (never would or have)... they WOULD NOT GET IT!!... gee, I do know about the Reiki laws...( so I guess I am 'NOT' one of those!!)...
as far as I am concerned 'end of topic', fineto...
all the best to you & yours, luv Wendy Ann xxx (even kisses come in 3's!!)