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Absolutely spot on...huge cheer from the crowd goes up!

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Quote "All good fun :-) It pays not to take ourselves too seriously..."

This is about the best comment I have ever heard at the cafe..it would pay for everyone to take note of this piece of hearty advice!

It's about respect for another. Very simple really.

Where you are on your spiritual path is not the same as others. It may be more advanced it may not. Noone can really say except the Divine ( unless of course there are various entities on the spiritual plane who know such things).

Working with energy should be a choice. What if someone does not believe in it? What if it is directly against what it is they do believe?

Or even if they do believe in it but don't want it it is their choice.

You disrespect another when you send without bothering to find out or especially so when sending when they do not want it.

It is often said if you send and they don't want it they don't recieve it. I think that's bullshit.Noone wants to be psychically attacked and yet it still happens to people. Even people who take energetically protective measures to ensure they are not harmed can and have still been harmed. so why then would sending Reiki be different?

With no disrespect intended. Have you ever considered your teaching to be flawed? Or accepted that possibility?

We do not know till we put it to the test.

The thing is there are manners of working with Reiki in which you just put the energy out there in your aura for any who wish it to take this Reiki.

Furthermore, Reiki can often have unpleasent side effects. Cold like symptoms. Emotional troubles rising etc. It is hard enough to deal with some of these effects for a knowing practitioner. Why then would we seek to just pick someone else up and drop them in that spot.

An example is that when i warned a friend of mine of possible cleansing when i attuned him, he only half listened.Then called me the next day saying he was up all night running to the toilet with stomach troubles.He of course was then exhausted for work. Being a mechanic who has to deal with things that involve logical thought and problem solving as well as safety concerns around heavy machinery. Being tired can be dangerous. So yayyy he detoxed some from his poor diet choices ( he eats what he wants really).But what negatives did he then have to deal with?

Keep in mind that is someone who was told what may occurr.

No, Reiki is not religious. But it is also not devoid of spiritual philosophy.

So there are rules and such. Furthermore a rule may come from elsewhere in someone's belief sysem other than Reiki.

So to them they are still "bound" by such rules. I did not give up my own spiritual path when i took up Reiki. But saw Reiki as a way to actively work on aspects of my path.

Those two ideals clash tremendously.

Why would one teach to ask first but then teach to send anyway? It really just makes no sense in any logical context.

That's like asking to say you asked but not caring what the response is.

How could that possibly jive with anyone as a valid teaching?

Noone is saying reiki is a religion. But the example was quite legitimate regardless. It is the same idea regardless of what the example is.

It's not letting someone else live their path.And is exactly the same as fundamentalist groups of any religion.

You may not come right out and tell someone they need to follow reiki but you do it through action. you are not giving them a choice. It is take Reiki or take Reiki.

I think you need a bigger grander soap box.

I agree with you completely. If someone asks for $5 and we say no, but they take it that is bad.

We say it is wrong to not respect one's body. Or say it is wrong to violate them mentally. But then spiritually we should all just send anyways? That again just makes no sense.

I of course cannot speak for Mr. Peter. But my question is what makes you think that Mr. Peter was referring to some secret agent? The way I read his post made me think his use of the term "middle-man" was in referrence to Source. Meaning of course that Source in this case makes the determination of whether the prayer goes through as opposed to us (being imperfect and such) making the determination.
We may determine what we pray for but we do not determine what the outcome of such prayer is.In effect Source does the thinking for us in the aspect of a "middle-man".

By that line of thinking. Noone can be raped or have belongings stolen. Murder is really suicide as murder is an impossibility.Can't murder yourself. And at the same time justifies murder because it says we can kill indescriminately. After all if they are me and I determine they should die then noone can stop me because they are me and hence agree with me.

Also there is the saying, " God is all of us. We are not all of God."

Also a reminder of the difference between accepting something as Truth and living it. I find it pretty safe to say none ofus are enlightened. Even if we've had moments of discovering bits of universal truth we are still not totally looking at everything with the knowledge and understanding Source has.

Remember part of the spiritual journey is about discovering who we really are. We are not perfect. Therefore we do not make perfect decisions.

Sure we are all connected sure the divine light is in all of us. It is said that the fact we are not is illusion. However, while we are still in that illusion we cannot claim the infallability in such regards.

gavstar,

Well we are going to have to agree to disagree on the idea that Reiki has intelligence or inate consciousness. At this point I have seen no evidence to compel me to adopt that view.

From my perspective every situation requires that we honor the wishes of the person to whom we would send.

As for why do we want to give reiki to someonne who doesn't want it. As my husband would say "who is this 'we', have you got a mouse in your pocket?" LOL

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

But what if we don't agree with that? What if we do believe there is a right and wrong? I don't dictate what others do. Not my place to do so.Nor would I try. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with all that they do.

I don't think anyone has directly addressed said quote because it's just another debate. It is not hands down agreed upon that Reiki is inteliigent. that's an entirely different topic of discussion.

I used to believe this myself till i learned the value of hand positions vs. no hand positions.

My view on this new topic is that simply Reiki is what it is.

We can't prove or disprove it's intelligence. I don't know of any other form of energy work ( even those who referr to the same energy through a different name) where it is claimed that energy is intelligent.

But I think of it like this. When water flows through a pipe it just follows the pipes through the whole plumbing system. I think of Reiki and the energy systems of the body the same way. Lots of little pipes and the energy just moves through them. It's obviously going to stop when it hits a blockage as that is what a blockage is energetic or otherwise. So to say it flows where needed may not be correct. It just flows and sometimes it is going to get jammed up which by nature it then works on the blockage to try and clear it. It is inevitable that the energy will encounter a blockage and purge ookie energies. that's just in the nature of Reiki. Like flushing a radiator and filling it up with good clean coolant.Saying this is directed by an intelligence is then on par with saying soap and water are intelligent. On some level they may be. But not in the way we think. there maybe some form of spiritual awareness but saying this is on the level of human intelligence is a bit off I feel.

On this subject I am perhaps, but the realisation of the free will of others as being something that I treasure for myself and have always demanded for myself. If demand it for myself, why not extend it so I respect the rights of others.

I finally got it (the whole permission thing) from a couple of occuracncies that happenend around the same time.

I was on the end of saying no to someone, but they did it anyway. Now once you have been on that recieving end, you will never go back.

There was also the case of a freind who decided that another freind needed some energy work done on her. He did tell her afterwards. The fallout from that was massive.
It transpires that the time he did it was at the time she started to have all sorts of stuff coming up for her. Which she didn't need because she was in the middle of exams
A lot of thought and soul searching has gone into what I now see as as the only way.

I also have a lot of friends who are in social work and counselling etc, So the way they present it is also a factor.
Talk to them about permission and they are even more dogmatic than I am.

At the end of the day, it boils down to if you respect the rights of others when it comes down to making a desicion if they want to recieve energy or not. The basic Declaration that I have posted twice in this thread is to my mind the only way and I will not, or cannot see me changing my mind
just as I would not change my mind about Reiki exsisting.
Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Ahh but is the Reiki source book based directly on Usui's teachings? We are told that a lot of the source material comes from 2 unconfirmed sources. Both who are Buddhist nuns who are both over 100 years old. and it would seem that no one other than the people who have introduced have been given or can get any access to them.

Don't beleive everything you read LOL

The book however remains one of my favourite Reiki books.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Otoharo!

What business is it of yours? If a person says "no." it means no. Why do you quibble about it?

finality

gotta love yer kiddo :-}
that was ('the devil in me) having you bite :-} & you did, hook line & sinker!!!!
no, really I admire you,for your passion on the way you do 'your thing', your way..... please allow me to do it 'my way' also...Reiki can 'not harm'....I truly believe that, so each to their own eh! & each respect each others ways.......... (& your soap box)hmmmm, put it under the bed for now! never know when you will need it again!! :-}}
luv yer wendy ann xxx

hi FK,
I will 'not' get into this 'ALL' again,(this is the last time I will answer these Q's).... but have you EVER known 'anyone' to get hurt this way?, (I haven't)!I don't want or need a reply!
even if people ask you for Reiki, they can still have nasty 'shifts' that were for their good anyway! as they needed this to happen for them to move forward..... I do think all this is just going round & round in circles, come on guys lets move forward!!
luv wendy ann xx

hi Gavstar,
well said, this subject has been 'over cooked'to a crisp!!
I said in one of my posts also, who is to say "I am right on wrong"??, & visa versa......
luv wendy ann xxx

I am talking of "we" as in the reiki community...sorry didnt think it was a significant error on my part I shall keep my grammar up to scratch next time Diosa

Thanks for your repsonse and you make a good point

Yup you are right and Buddha did actually say that we shouldnt believe all we read......I bow to your view!

G

Again...your view! It has been said a 100 times it doesnt make it any more right because it keeps being said...who really knows for sure if it is wrong or right None of us have that answer do we?

Philosophy is a human concept not something dropped out of the sky one day ....it is a not a divine manual on life, philosophy was invented by man. The rules of spirituality have been formed by years of very intelligent thinking but again by man. The laws of Physics however have many finite conclusions e.g. the boiling point of water (I am trying to poiint out that there are no such finite conclusions that can be readily drawn from spiritual philosophy) but with rules concering spiritual philosophy we are guided by teachers, intution, feelings etc.....we have our own theories and rules that we set down and permsision of course is one of them. Some of us ask and some us dont there are no actual finite ruels on the sibject....that has alwasy been the case. Spirituality has a permamnent wet elading edge as it were with new ruels and wasy fo doing things emerging all the time but the boling point of water will alwasy eb the same!

Capito?
It makes sesne to me but them I wrote it......if it needs clarification I no doubt will get post from your good self

Defo not very reiki to do so! how awful for them....I think you might have misjudged my stance slightly on this subject. I dont send reiki to anyone who I have not contacted to let them know but all I am saying is that if there was a time I wanted to I would not feel bound by a rule forbidding it...there is no such rule

With respect....What and who are you talking to? ..if it is me I am going to clear this up once and for all.. I never send reiki to anyone that hahsnt asked or I have asked of them but that doesnt mean to say in the future that if the situation arose that I would not...I like to think that felxibiltiy is the key to life and tollerance......

I hoep tat hjelsp with my position on it...I would never waste my time on some one telling me NO....who would.....is there anyone on this forum who would still send it?