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totally agree, some one on here said " Reiki has no intelligence" etc...what a lot of bull, why do we channel reiki if we think it's stupid.
we hand it over TO REIKI!
why DID WE LEARN REIKI?
KEEP THIS IN YOUR MINDS?
LET REIKI BE REIKI,
LET ALL ON 'HERE' 'BE' REIKI...CREDIT WHERE 'CREDIT' IS REALY DUE.....'REIKI'..XXX
'ENOUGH!!'

Hi everyone. I am new here, but I am compelled to contribute after reading the permission thread. There are cases where we cannot ask permission. A person in a coma, a small child, someone with mental problems (in these cases the person or the human guardians could not know what is the best thing to do. We, neither as the Reiki giver, nor the Reiki receiver has the wisdom to know what level of Reiki energy they may wisely receive and the universal consequences of flows of concentrated Reiki. Who are we but channels for the flow of Universal Life Force. This is why we cannot depend upon our own limited wisdom concerning permission or the regulation of the flow of Reiki. We must trust our Reiki guides, God/Goddess, our Spirit Guides & Helpers, Angels, the Ancient Ones, the Absolute Infinte, the Universal Life Force, the Great Spirit. Grand Master Hawayo Takata said that this power {REIKI) is unfathomable, immeasurable, and being a universal life force is incomprehensible to man. Yet every single living being is receiving its blessings daily, awake or asleep ... Reiki is already flowing in all! We are the channels through which this Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient Force works. This Force works with our love, compassion & intention. We pray, meditate, become as One with this Force as we can. We trust this Force to do the Proper channelling of Reiki through us to our intended recipient of our love and compassion. This fear about permission is dismissed ... we express our love and compassion and the Universal Life Force which already sustains all life in this universe takes the decision of permission out of our hands. This is not a mindless Force. If you think it is, then you will always live in fear.
Sincerely,
Sam

no, I would not send it if I was 'asked' not to.....
in distance healing it's another ball game,
but when they say to your face they "don't want it", well....enough said,
hugs xxx

Bruce,
if you 'will' keep on like a little 'terrier!
in my experience in my years of sending Reiki w/o permission, I 'have never caused harm'.... how do I know this because I contact that said person the next few days & ask HOW they are... W.B Joy, is not God!!!(why did you do Reiki) if you need this mans back up! so to speak....
if in doubt... DO NOTHING!
wendy xxx

hi there Sam,
thank you, thank you, at long last some 'SENSE' about this issue, I for one 'totally agree' with you, Reiki, IS REIKI, we are mere channel's & blessed to be so, thank you...
luv wendy ann xxx

Wendy Ann
To try and explain the concept of free will to you in a simplistic way.

Lets say that Firekeeper asks his higherself to ask your higherself for permission to change every single one of your posts in this thread so that they reflect his view. This is done for your good and because his higher self has been told by your higher self that it is what you want.

How would you feel if that was a reality?
No harm would have been done afterall.

What would your reaction be if he first asked you about changing them?

Is there a difference?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Hi Gav
If you read up the thread, yes there is. They have quite clearly stated that if they get a no they will send they will send anyway.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

There is absolutly no difference at all. Reiki is Reiki.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Please define what you mean by intelligence when you are talking about Reiki.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

The diffrence is that if they have given permission and know that they are recieving Reiki, then they will know what it is.
If it is foisted on them without them knowing then they won't.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

So you can contact them after the event, but not before?
That speaks volumes dosn't it?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

How ridculous ...you have no concept of what any of us are talking about in here Brucey....my statement has nothing to do with that.......we are never completetly removed from it as the channels are we????we still have to make a conscious decison on whether we are dong the right thin in our own minds...its called being human and making a decison using the knowledge and expericenes that we have had over your lives....I listen to what people tell me , make an informed judgement and then proceed with my decison.

OK sorry RObs missed it....there are individuals who you might want to check with and if they say NO generally I guess people take that and dont but what about the Tsunami for instance...I know of lots of reiki healers who sent reiki to the 1,000' so f vicitms and their families....whats your view on that?

I fully endorse you two ...well done for providing simple argument that stands up.

Wamps you are my hero as you know!

I think you are really confused about what reiki is.......and what religion is.

Just a thought

DO NOT INFERE I AM SIMPLE!! THAT IS DISTASTEFULL & VERY EGOLISTIC ON 'YOUR PART.' & A NO GO ZONE FOR ME!!

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE ON ABOUT, NOO, FORGET IT, NO NEED, 'THE END'.....
HEY GET A LIFE!!!

Very well said Rob :)

What I find frustrating here is that those that insist that permission is unnecessary all seem to choose to sidestep and avoid direct questions which challenge their belief, even when presented with clear examples of when Reiki can and has been detrimental.They merely answer with the same 'Reiki can do no harm' statements and 'The higher self will not accept it, if it doesn't want it' etc. etc.

I do respect people having differing views and following their own pathway, that is their right. I just wish now and again that someone would respond to the questions and examples put before them intelligently rather than just repeating the same statment 'Reiki can do no harm' over and over again :)

Time to do some self reiki me thinks! lol

Gentle Blessings
Helen

I just dont get it....the poeple who insist on getting pernmission are much more forceful in their views (IMHO) on this subject why cant it just be left for people to do what they want...I am happy that people ask or not...why cant thsoe who insist on getting pernmission just do it that way and tjose that dot want og e tpermission do it their way...

Lets face it has anyone ever read in any newspaper in the world that someone has headed to the heavens becase they didnt give permission for a reiki treatment....NO I DONT THINK SO....cant be that bad then can it?

Robs ...that really is a little harsh old boy and a crap example of permisison and higher selfs.

There is a big difference between a reiki healing and an overblown reiki forum thread...in every respect.

Bless this thread with some reiki...it bloody well needs it...OOPPPPS I forgot to ask for permission to do that...anyone mind?

Ok so why is it a crap example?
Is it not just not using the same argument that is being used anyway.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Where did I infer that you were simple?
What I said was that I would try to explain in a simplistic way. I used the same argument that you are using in the hope that you would gain a deeper understading about what we are saying.

Is it not your ego that tells someone to get a life and also respond in capitals. All I have done is ask a simple question.
The question if you think about it does challenge your views.
Learn to respond and not react. Think about the question and please answear it.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Yes LOL true
But if they didn't know that they had been sent Reiki, how on earth would they know? LOL

If you look at it, the ones who are advocating that permission is needed are sticking to their guns and being rational about it. It si the omes that don't that are loosing their cool.

Yes it does come down to personal choice, but if that choice is made without having all of the infomation, does that lead to a a right choice always being made?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

........because the basic argument of permissions does not really involve the higher-self to the basic reiki healer....the argument here has elevated itself to a spiritualy intellectual plane that misses many of the valid points for both sides of the argument

Purrrrrlease Robmeister....rational......very few rational arguments on this thread....lets agree on that..its all selfish points of view......greatb fun tho ...this si what I wanted to see when I first o..just upset a few old farts thats all

Don't go there mate LOL
There were are still are more practical ways of helping people who have been the victims of natural disasters.

There is a local Reiki master that has done something for practical. She has set up a chartiy to help rebuild schools in one of the areas affected. She was out there when the wave hit, but thankfull was not one of those directly impacted on. She chose and has asked others locally to help raise funds.

Because we have reiki, does not mean that we have to use it.
I also wonder how many of the people who sent Reiki after that event are still sending to the people who were affected by it? The initial shock and confusing is over, now the healing begins but are they being sent it?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items