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Reik Fire

posted at 4/29/2006 5:35 AM
ID# 91647
a book i recently came across, The author is living in japan and has researched reiki from its source, or Drr. Usais' teaching. Anyhoo, he said in the book that reiki attunement is the lazy mans way of channeling qi gong healing energy, Being that bio energy reiki energy and qi gon energy is the same struck a chord with me. He said that reiki is one part of the five parts of qi gong. which made me think, If reiki is one part, then the seichim energies make up the rest. hmm, must look into this.
Another aspect of qi gon is that i think you must be doing it for a number of years or at least build up enough experience to access universal light. A friend of mine who does qi gon and tai chi, said that he had experiences similir I thought to reiki. Now I know that it's all energy, it's just diffrent views interpretations or ways of accessing it. who's to say that prayer is any different.
Although I probably knew all this in my head, I had difficulty in joining it all together. Know I feel a bit more whole.

re: Reik Fire

posted at 4/29/2006 9:54 AM
ID# 91651
This is a reply to: 91647
jaguar,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- when you say a 'prayer' for someone else "who" is it that you expect to carry out this 'wish'?

- when you do reiki for someone else who is it that gets the energy there?

>:-}}

- ULE is all-inclusive - qi gong, Reiki, Tai Chi, etc, etc are simply different ways to access the energy

- what I find rather unique about Reiki is that it can be done at a distance for others (I would doubt that many tai chi or qi gong practitioners know how to 'share' that energy with others - rather they do the practices soley for themselves)

- but, I am quite willing to hear otherwise on this last matter in particular

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Reik Fire

posted at 4/29/2006 6:43 PM
ID# 91661
This is a reply to: 91651
i'm no expert but having practiced kung fu for 12 years and a little chi kung, as far as i can see, the breathing excercises are used to build up the energy in ones self, then your aim is to channel the energy into the client, the disadvantage of this can be that you are giving off the energy which you have accumulated and can if you are not careful give out too much, leaving yourself depleted whereas Reiki actually flows through you from the higher source and if practiced correctly does not leave you drained of energy.
This is in no way a criticism or qi gong or any other energy system as they are excellent systems and have great benefits for ones health.

namaste
omshanti

re: Reik Fire

posted at 4/29/2006 9:32 PM
ID# 91664
This is a reply to: 91647
Otoharo!

I do not find that reiki is a part of something else. It is whole within itself.

finality

re: Reik Fire

posted at 4/29/2006 11:14 PM
ID# 91665
This is a reply to: 91661
omshanti,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I do know several practices from kundalini yoga that are designed to send energy to others - but there are specific breath practices for this so that one is not sending 'personal energy' (or certainly minimize this possibility)

>:-}}

- my exposure to tai chi and qi gong did not reveal any significant focus on distance work for others - the main focus was one's own health and in some cases hands-on work with 'clients'

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Reik Fire

posted at 4/30/2006 6:57 AM
ID# 91667
This is a reply to: 91647
Hi Jaguar
What book is it and who is the author?
There is, in some Qi Gong circles an uniformed/based on suspect infomation that Reiki came from Qi Gong practice.
This is mainly because a lot of the early techniques are Qi gong exercises or at aleast very much like them.

The way I see it is that Qi Gong is part of what is called Traditional Chinese Medicine, and Reiki could very much been seen as being based on Traditional Japanese Medicine, which is based on TCM (although there is some thought that TJM has had input into TCM)

There are some Indians who will tell you that TCM is based on Ancient Indian practices.

There are a couple of revisonist Reiki historians, who before they came to Reiki were and still are involved in Martial arts. They seem to be the ones who say that Reiki is based on Qi Gong.

The following article by James Deacon may give you some further insights.
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Reijutsu, Hand-Healing, 'New Religions' & Reiki in early 20thC Japan
Copyright © 2002 James Deacon
[Updated: July 25, 2005]

A number of people seem to be under the misapprehension that Usui Sensei was somehow responsible for what has been referred to as a 'revival' of Healing-hand practices in early 20th century Japan.

However, such healing practices had been quite common in Japan for many centuries and there is no reason to believe they had fallen into decline during the Meiji era.

In fact, it is known that many and varied forms of hand-healing practices existed during Usui Sensei's lifetime.

'Teate' (hand/palm healing) systems had long existed (and continue to exist today) with in the martial disciplines, for example: the various schools of Ninpo (Ninjitsu) and traditional Bujutsu schools such as Katori Shinto Ryu, and I believe, Yagyu Ryu - the Jujutsu/Kenjutsu discipline believed to have been studied by Usui Sensei himself.

And, outside of martial arts circles, there also existed several teate practices utilising a form of vital life-force energy referred to as:'seiki'.


seiki

Various forms of seiki healing practice [not to be confused with the modern 'Seiki Soho' healing] had been around since at least the Edo period and some practitioners were certainly active around the time Usui Sensei was teaching Reiki.

For example, we know of one Seiki therapy group: the seiki ryoho kenkyu jo (Seiki Treatment Institute / Research Establishment) which was definitely active in the late 1920's.

Also, Traditional Japanese Medicine (essentially Traditional Chinese Medicine with a name-change) included 'Ki-jutsu' techniques (which would later also be referred to as 'ki-ko' techniques) - originally believed to have been derived from Qi Gung Hand Healing.

It has been said that Usui-sensei was a member of a 'group' called Reijutsu Kai, which were met near Mount Kurama.
However, during the early part of the 20th century, Reijutsu wasn't just a 'group' - rather, it was quite a large, flourishing 'movement'. It would seem that what Usui-sensei belonged to was a local Association (Kai) of which there were apparently a great many in the Reijutsu movement. A Shinto-related phenomenon, amongst Reijutsu's aims was the improvement of health of the nation. Reijutsu made use of a variety of healing methods including Reiki-like 'laying-on-of-hands' and healing through religious rituals.
The Reijutsu movement became quite prominent, and practitioners even travelled to Mongolia and gave lectures on their techniques to Chinese. (As a result, it is said, elements of Reijutsu found their way into Chinese Qi Gung practices.)

Then, there were (even in Usui's day) countless 'folk practitioners' - including members of the supposedly suppressed Shugendo cults, who utilised hand-healing (admittedly in conjunction with exorcism, prayer and other esoteric practices).

And a great many of the spiritual groups, often referred to as: 'new religions' (shinko shukyo) or 'new religious groups', which existed in Usui's time, were essentially 'healing sects', several of which had materialised around a charismatic 'founder' who had developed or 'received' healing powers.

This last fact brings us to an interesting point:

Hawayo Takata taught the system known as Usui Shiki Ryoho - or as it is more commonly called: 'Reiki'.

Until relatively recently, it was understood that Usui Shiki Ryoho was identical to the system conceived, developed, practiced and taught by Usui Sensei in the 1920's.

However, if we are to accept the validity of the newly emerging information concerning the origins of Reiki, it seems that many of us will have to revise our understanding as to what exactly Usui Sensei's system was.

It is currently being implied that (- rather than being a purely therapeutic modality,) what Usui Sensei originally founded and developed was essentially a spiritual-philosophical system involving elements of Buddhist and Shintoist belief - a system 'for the improvement of body and soul' - that is, a system primarily focussing on self-development, but one which also incorporated a self-healing element.

If this is in fact the case, then in effect, what Usui Sensei created was a spiritual or philosophical 'way' - which to a certain extent - could be said to fall within the above-mentioned category of 'Spiritual Groups/New Religious Groups'.

According to some, Usui Sensei did not actually give his system a name; yet others say it was known as Usui-do (the 'do' part of the name implying a philosophical/spiritual path), or as 'Usui-teate' (Usui Hand/Palm Healing' - from which we can assume that, albeit primarily a spiritual system, it did indeed include a 'therapeutic modality' component).

[ The Reiki Precepts / Principles, however, speak of the system as: 'Usui Reiki Ryoho'.]

It is of course possible that the names 'Usui-do' and 'Usui-teate' were given to the system by Usui Sensei's students, who, it seems, did not know or use the name 'Reiki'.
(One source seemed to have a vague recollection about how the term Reiki had been used by Usui Sensei in the context of some form of respect for his ancestors)**

After Usui Sensei's death in 1926, 'Usui-do' / 'Usui-teate' - i.e. Usui Sensei's original spiritual system - seems to have gradually been ousted from the newly evolving and expanding 'Usui Reiki Ryoho Gakkai' - who moved the emphasis more towards personal healing through Reiki.
However, a number of his most senior students saw to it that Usui-do / 'Usui-teate' continued.

And, alongside Usui-do / -teate' and the 'Gakkai system, other new expressions of the system also evolved, the primary ones being - so we are told:
- a hand/palm healing modality: 'Eguchi te-no-hira Ryoji' (developed by Toshihiro Eguchi - a friend and student of Usui Sensei, and incorporating elements of Usui-do )
and the version developed by Hayashi Sensei in 1931 as: Hayashi Reiki Ryoho

It is from Hayashi Reiki Ryoho that Takata Sensei's ' Usui Shiki Ryoho' evolved.

**
[Many of the 'new religious'/spiritual groups' (- which generally tended to incorporate elements from Shinto and Buddhist teachings -) came into being as a result of their founders undergoing either mystical visionary experiences of, or indeed actual possession by, Kami (numinous beings), or sometimes, by Ancestral Spirits.
Now, while many people may view Usui Sensei's 'Reiki Experience' on Mount Kurama in terms of mystical connection with an abstract 'Spiritual Universal Energy' , it may be of interest to note that the term 'Reiki' is sometimes translated as: Ancestral Spirit.]

----------------------------------------------------------


Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 4:42 PM
ID# 91708
This is a reply to: 91667
wow! You learn something new every day!
Thanks for all that it were fascinating.
I am trying at the moment, not to tie myself up with what is or isn't, do's or don'ts. The name of the book is 'Reiki Fire', written and published in '98, by a man named Peter something. Of course something stands for his las name, I just can't think of it.
Reiki is of itself. But I find that it is just one way, maybe not the best way, maybe not the worst way, to channel this universal energy. It's the best way for me at the moment. I'm comfortable with that. Check amazon or e-bay or just yahoo it to find the book.
qi gong is qi gong, in and of itself. just as reiki is reiki in and of itself. If something is part of something or not, I'm not going to worry myself too much about it. It really doesn't matter. I did that before when doing qi gong exercises. I thought it would somehow mess up if mixed, two different styles, you know. In the end I don't think I benifited to the best of ability because of that.
One of my tai chi and chi kung teachers said that he had an experience with chi kung. I can't remember the details, but opposite him this lady and he, were doing a specific exercise. She had been suffering with discomfort in her belly. during and after the exercise, he/they both felt heat in that region, and the discomfort lifted, or something.
Another time he said that he felt heat/energy in his crown. I remarked to myself that this sounded like reiki. I'm just grateful for the experience taught.
As to if reiki is a part of qi gong? I don't know, I may have missread or missinterped or half-read...etc, you get the drift.
My reiki/seicheim teacher said I think, that Reiki is a prt of seicheim, or is the earth element healing ray, while all the others in it are water, air, fire and ether.
I have a little trouble with it to be honest, so I'm just concentrating on just reiki.
Thanks, y'all
Nameste

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 5:25 PM
ID# 91710
This is a reply to: 91667
rob,

Hi,

As much as I appreciate the depth to which James goes in his researches I must comment that, as always, in the absence of first hand interviews reporting from unsubstantiated sources (or picking from an assortment of conflicting sources) and other hearsay is still only supposition. The fact that one supposition matches our beliefs where another does not in no way make one of the suppositins a better representation of the original situation (in Usui Sesnei's life, for example) than the other.

Cheers,

RC

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 5:59 PM
ID# 91711
This is a reply to: 91651

firekeeper said on

>
>- what I find rather unique about Reiki is that it can be done at a distance for others (I would doubt that many tai chi or qi gong practitioners know how to 'share' that energy with others - rather they do the practices soley for themselves)
>
>- but, I am quite willing to hear otherwise on this last matter in particular

Some years before exposure to the reiki system, I used qigong methods to work long-distance (by telephone) on a friend who had a partially detached retina. His retina re-attached, and he cancelled the laser surgery that had been scheduled.

More generally, a qigong practitioner's sending energy into others for their healing is termed wai qi liao fa (external qi healing method) or wai qi zhi liao (external qi knowledge of healing); in this context, the term "external" refers to outside the practitioner's own body.

The "internal" qigong exercises that strengthen the qi within the practitioner's own body are just a first level of practice. Complete systems also teach "external" qi healing, in which the practitioner can direct energy into others. Incomplete systems might not ever reach that level.

Bruce

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 6:03 PM
ID# 91712
This is a reply to: 91667
The book to which Jaguar refers is _Reiki Fire_, by Frank Arjava Petter.

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 8:52 PM
ID# 91714
This is a reply to: 91710
Hi RC
Well isn't that just the problem.
Is there any first hand evidence for Usui ever have exsisted?
There are very few comtempary bit of evidence to say for sure.

What James does do with his research and the way he presents it is use common sense and several sources, but has he will tell you himself, "beleive nothing that you can't check for yourself"
The article is based on a lot of research and does actually make a lot of sense, looking as it does at other "Folk healing arts" from the region and also from a historical perspective.
This approach is far more infomative that any channeled or susupected channeled material that is a round and a lot of what we get told is for sure, is either channeled or suspected channeled. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is another matter thou (as always LOL)

It is an area that will remain clouded untill the Usui family release any documents, that is if they exsist, which may happen when we finally get a month of blue moons LOL.

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/3/2006 8:53 PM
ID# 91715
This is a reply to: 91712
Thanks Bruce.
I wonder if Petter has changed his mind since he wrote that book? LOL

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/4/2006 8:53 AM
ID# 91720
This is a reply to: 91661
I've been studying taijiquan and qigong since 1981. _Some_ ways of doing qi healing are aimed at building up and using the practitioner's "personal" qi to heal others, but other methods draw qi from above and below (sky and earth), then run it through the practitioner and into the "client." One of my teachers said, "make yourself a piece of a conductor" to channel the flow of energy from above and below. When done correctly, it doesn't risk depleting the practitioner's own energy. So that's not really a basis for distinguishing between qigong and reiki.

Bruce

omshanti said on

>i'm no expert but having practiced kung fu for 12 years and a little chi kung, as far as i can see, the breathing excercises are used to build up the energy in ones self, then your aim is to channel the energy into the client, the disadvantage of this can be that you are giving off the energy which you have accumulated and can if you are not careful give out too much, leaving yourself depleted whereas Reiki actually flows through you from the higher source and if practiced correctly does not leave you drained of energy.
>This is in no way a criticism or qi gong or any other energy system as they are excellent systems and have great benefits for ones health.
>
>namaste
>omshanti

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/4/2006 9:27 AM
ID# 91723
This is a reply to: 91714
Rob,

Hi,

Well, some of the history I was given to read during my formative years in public school has been shown to have been, at least in part, subjected to certain enhancements and de-hancements such that one would be able to classify the resulting 'accounts' as falling somewhere between 'biography' and fiction, so to speak. The 'reasonableness' and careul crafting of these accounts being, in the end, camouflage and flavoring; thus in need of carefuol scrutiny before swallowing.

:o}

But, did Usui Sensei exist? I would warrant that he did. Is everything written about him accurate? Well, there may have been a grain of truth in the story of Gullible's travels as well.

LOL

Cheers,

RC

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/4/2006 9:31 AM
ID# 91724
This is a reply to: 91647
Dear Jaguar,
The path is littered with side roads that lead no where. Then there are those roads that lead you back to where you started. :)


peace & joy,
holobon

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/4/2006 11:14 AM
ID# 91730
This is a reply to: 91723
Isn't history written by the victors and re written by Hollywood? LOL
Very fundalmental errors do also creep in where rumour and common knowledge (based on rumour) is used.

I am sure that most of what has been writtain about Usui is not the whole or even part of the truth. The main document seems to be the memorial stone, but that was apparently erected by students. I must admit what I read on memeorial stones is always suspect to me, a bit like where they put "sadly missed" on a stone of someone who none could stand LOL

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

re: Reik Fire

posted at 5/4/2006 12:24 PM
ID# 91735
This is a reply to: 91730
Rob,

Hi,

The 'losers' write history as well. But, perhaps it is the 'winners' that, on the whole, have an easier time finding publishers.

LOL, LOL.

Cheers,

RC

re: Reiki Fire

posted at 5/6/2006 10:44 AM
ID# 91765
This is a reply to: 91724
Yes! thats my thinking as well. I have found that the circle has but one side, but goes in a spirial, then doubles back on itself, coming to a point yet widening at the middle before, coming to a point again where we first started, kind of like a circler prisim type rhomboid structure spirial, where if you followed the spirial path, you'd find yourself coming back to the beginning of where you started but the path goes ever on and on, no begining or end.
Well that what I think anyway,
Thanks Bruce.