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Otoharo!

I recently relistened to Lazaris tapes on Health and Healing. I had forgotten that the mind is in every cell in the body. When being reiki with oneself, reiki, our bodies, our minds are all involved at once and all together. No need for the intellect at all! No wonder we get so tangled up trying to think with the intellect about all our healing processes.

finality

finality,,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- yet, it is the emotions (such as grasping and aversion) that keep us caught on the wheel of death and rebirth

- it is with the mind that we may learn to place emotions in their proper perspective and end our cycle of returning to samsara

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

"The mind is the slayer of the real."

goldenisis,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- the real????

bagl, bagl, bagl

- now if you are talking fishing reel, then 'just maybe' you have a point (somewhere).

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

We separated emotions from feeling. emotions are not really feelings, they are thoughts mascarating as feelings. Feelings being joy, love, peace, serenity, calm, etc. Emotions are just about all the rest. If you take out an emotion and examine it, you will find the thought that backs it up, or originates it.

finality

mr. firekeeper,

if you take the world beyond samsara to be real, then it makes sense.

blessings,
ms. roxanne

finality,

yes, that's very true when i think about it. thanks for pointing that out.

love,
roxy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- but, what is real??

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

finality,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- sounds like artificial distinctions simply adding more layers to the Illusion than are already there

- ego games

>:-}}

- jealousy is not a feeling?? envy is not a feeling??

- and, there are some aspects of love that are not the least bit 'serene' (unless, of course, we wish to talk of the passion of serenity??)

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

Firekeeper, it took a while to come to grips with this topic when it was presented. Envy is not a feeling. the thought is, you have something that I wish I had. Love has no restrictions, if we love at all it is unconditional. Less, than that is some sort of bargain. I love you if........

finaltiy

mr. firekeeper,

isn't that a series on mtv?

blessings,
roxy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- not on your life

bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

finality,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- as long as you make artifical distinctions as to what is thought and what is feeling to suit yourself then we must simply agree to disagree

- also, you said, in part, "you have something that I wish I had." Envy is more than simply wishing for something someone else has.

>:-}}

- you also said, in part, "Love has no restrictions"

- have we also not heard of all consuming jealosy? Is jealosy only a thought?

- to say love has no restrictions is merely a thought, is it not? Based on your distinctions, how can you now define a feeling, love, in terms of a thought??

>:-}}

- are we not better defined by what we do than what we say? Actions, not words? Are not our feelings of envy, jealosy, and love defined by our behaviors?

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

dear mr. firekeeper,

i think that finality's statement makes sense if you consider emotions are triggered by a thought, whether concious or not.
a large part of the therapy i went through was finding the thought behind the emotion. then that thought was analyzed as to it's origins...and whether it was a prper reaction to the situation at hand.

as for love, i've seen it written that it is different than othwer emotions. it's a steady state wheras feelings like envy, anger, etc. are temporary.

blessings,
roxy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- do we not say people 'act\react without thinking'?

- would this not be emotion without thought, beforehand??

- as for love being a steady state?? Have you never 'fallen out of love'??

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

otoharo!

I disagree, I think, if I am hearing you correctly. It is litterally, examining an emotion to find the underlying thought in order to understand our emotion, eliminate the thought, change it, that we rid ourselves of hindrance to growth. Is that not what you do for a living? Help people do just that? this level of understanding is not an intellect game, but comes from the mind. the mind that is in all cells of the body and outside the body. thus the body assists us in our healing work. Reiki assits the body. When intellect gets into the mix, with ego, it is very difficult for a person to heal themselves. You know that if you let yourself.

finality

dear mr. firekeeper,

yes, perhaps love is a steady state, for a while, that is. eventually, it can end. but when you are in love, it's steady.

as for the thought/ emotion connection, i think we will have to agree to disagee.

:-)

blessings,
roxy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- do you 'think' we need to agree to disagree or do you 'feel' we need to agree to disagree??

- or, if both were involved, which came first??

>:-}}}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

I know this was directed at Roxy, but I want to point out that you are talking one way. I am talking another way about this. You think first. In emotion, you feel first and never consider that what you feel is a thought masquerading as feeling.

finality

finality,

Hi,

I know you were responding to FK but I would like to wade in briefly. You said, in part: "You think first. In emotion, you feel first and never consider that what you feel is a thought masquerading as feeling."

Thoughts masquerading as feelings? Hmmmm. It seems to me you are simply compounding the challenges of Illusion with more layers of 'illusion'. Over-intellectualization solves nothing.

Cheers,

RC

Wow! I read this thred and it could give a guy a headake trying to figure it out. I think the proublem is we are trying to figure it out with the part of us that can't figure it out, the knowledge that surpasses all understanding. Lets try the emotion-feeling delema.
all emotions are feelings, but not all feelings are emotions. Did you ever feel hunger?,emotion or feeling? It's a feeling that need to be addresed. Ever feel cold, same way. Did you ever feel a need to be fullfilled, this to is afeeling that needs to be addressed.
As the feeling of hunger will lead you to food and the feeling of cold will lead you to warmth so to will the need to be fullfilled lead you to fullfillment.

Jerryji

jerryji,

Hi,

Hunger is a physiological state resuling from the body reacting to lack of nourishment (or even junk food - lol). We learn the sensation that tells us we are hungry. And we may have feelings about this. For example, I feel I have eaten too much already today (irregardless of the actual caloric intake). Then the thought occurs to perhaps not satisfy the hungery sensation immediately. Then, perhaps, one feels pleased with one's own self-restraint in not feeding one's face everytime one senses hunger.

Cheers (time for my lunch),

RC

Hi RC
"Hunger is a physiological state". physiology has two meanings 1 the biological science of life processes, 2 the vital processes of an organism. I agree with you if you are using the 2 defination.
But "we learn the sensation", excuse me, tell that to a new born baby or a day old calf. As far as eaten too much or what you eat or to diet or not, that's a luxury you have when food is always available. I'm talking about the kind of hunger where everything else falls away, what you eat, how you get it, doesnt matter. That kind of hunger is inate. We are born with some inate feelings, that's the feelings I'm talking about and one of those inate feelings is to be fullfilled ,a feeling to be follewed.
Jerryji

Otoharo!

Good to hear your response and pointed explanation. Thanks.

finality

hello,

do you mean fufillment as in "i need a fufilling career', or more of a spiritual fufilment?

blessings,
roxy