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Hi everyone. I've recently been attuned to Kundalini Reiki master level & was wondering if anyone else has used this form of reiki & what their experience has been. Also if anyone can give some info on the reiki "detox" process. I seem to be having a strong detox reaction physically to the kundalini energies & am hoping it will pass soon. It has been over a month since I have been ill!

Love & blessings!

Reikibalance

reikibalance,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- without knowing the training and practices you had and the nature of the attunements (in person I assume) it is a bit difficult to know what is going on - 'ill' can mean a lot of things

- btw, where is the Reiki Master you worked with in all this?

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

You must concentrate your energies not on yourself but on the world around you. Once you achieve this balance you will feel better. I remember when I was attuned for Kundalini, My wife would get a terrible headache whenever she got within 20 feet of me. This passed when i learned how to use it correctly. it wasn't like Usui reiki. I had to "not control my energy" and just let it flow through me.

ej,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- one does not control ULE in Usui practices though it is proper to be mindful of one's personal energy over which one may exert some influence - depending on level of adeptness, of course

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Thank you for your reply. I am an Usui Reiki Master and had a strong detox reaction after I was attuned to Usui Reiki 2. This continued till I did my Usui master level 8 months after being attuned to reiki 2. It has been a year since my Usui Master level attunement and I have recently been attuned to Kundalini Reiki. The Kundalini Master level attunement happened last week. The attunements are not given in person but are distant attunements. This system of reiki was developed by Ole Gabrielson. The energy appears to be very powerful but feels different from Usui reiki. From what I understand the attunements link you to the earth energies and also seem to raise the Kundalini energy prevelant at the base of the spine for healing purposes. So when you give reiki you are utilising the reiki energy as well as your own Kundalini energy for healing. This system also has a meditation for raising the Kundalini energy. Kundalini Reiki is extremely simple, there are no symbols at all unlike Usui Reiki. It is simply your intention which transfers the energy. Since my attunement process started to the Kundalini 123 attunemnts I have been sick with physical symptoms like the recurrence of a severe skin allergy which doesn't seem to get better with any medication as well as flu, fever etc. I have spoken to my reiki master about it and he told me that he had a strong detox reaction when he was attuned, which lasted for a good 4 months! However, his was not physical but on a mental / emotional & financial level. He has advised me to just wait it out & give myself a lot of reiki until the symptoms disappear.

reikibalance,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- first, my skepticism of distance attunements is strong and broad (and from the multitude of complaints I have heard over the years from many who have received distance attunements I would say my skepticism is very well founded)

- I do not do distance attunements nor do I council anyone else to do them

- also, as an advanced student in Layayoga (Kundalini Yoga) I would say that Reiki cannot be used in the manner you describe (or Gabrielson suggests) to raise the Kundalini - my Yoga Teacher is also a Reiki practitioner and teaches similarly

- there are other practices which take time, effort and mindfulness to work 'intentionally' with the kundalini

- simply wishing the Kundalini to rise will not make it happen - there are many who practice for years with teachers before they can raise and work with the Kundalini - and some never accomplish it in this lifetime

- now, it is taught that if energy such as the Kundalini is somehow misguidedly forced out of its normal channels (not likely a common occurrence) ill effects of one sort or another may arise

- I have heard many complaints over the years that one thing or another or some ailment is due to the Kundalini - without working with such a person, in person, I have no reliable way of even guessing that the Kundalini is involved - and even in person the issue may not be entirely clear

- I would offer: keep up the Reiki - better yet get some Reiki from others - and perhaps consider investing some time in regular Layayoga practices

- and there is, of course, no way to tell how long you might have to "ride it out"

- hope this helps in some way

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

hi reikibalance,

did you took the kundalini attunement at very close interval ? in my past experience receiving too many attunement at once cause significant problem and took many month to clear.
try too find a crystal that has clearing properties. it might help reducing the energy intensity.and do grounding exercise. Kundalini reiki doesn't raise kundalini at all, it simply use a small portion of kundalini fire to help clear the spine. (so let go of any notion you are rising your kundalini). and i notice different teacher gives different quality energy attunement. so watch out for bad energy.

hope thats help
wisdom be with you
liam

Liam brings up a very important point about "bad" energy.

As FK said and I say, this is why it should be necessary to have attunements in person by someone you know and have known for quite a long while.

We are energy and we should be most careful who we let add or subtract to what we are made up of. If not, there will be consequences.

We should remember, Reiki is about us being in balance and about clients achieving balance.

We should all tread carefully in unknown waters.

I agree that using Reiki daily and getting treatments from others should help. Using quartz or obsidian might also help with very mindful intentions of clearing. Clean the stones daily. My vote is for obsidian as it is wonderful at clearing negativities and stopping them from happening in the first place.

At times I light one black candle to remove negatives and one white candle to add in more positives. Brings in a nice balance in the home and in we who live here.

Drinking lots of fluids will also help flush the body out.

Setting one's intentions would be a good idea during this problematic time.

Good luck and well wishes,

Donna

Thank you Firekeeper, Liam & Donna for your advice!

I am happy to say that I am feeling much better and am almost back to normal now. This has been my first experience with distant attunements & I must admit I was quite sceptical at first, but let me tell you that they really work (or at least thats what my experience has been!)I could feel the rush of energy in fact a very strong connection to the energy during my attunements & a wonderful feeling of peace throughout the process. Prior to the attunements I was feeling very low & felt a complete lack of energy despite giving myself reiki, but after the KR attunements I felt very good, very optimistic & cheerful & full of energy. Liam you are correct in the assumption that I did receive my attunements in quick progression & I assume that was the reason for my physical symptoms. I feel that the Kundalini reiki has given me a strong chakra clearing & hopefully the worst is over now! :) It is interesting that you mention we use only a small amount of the Kundalini for healing purposes. I have read that elsewhere on the internet & will check with my reiki master about it. I personally feel that reiki is undergoing a transformation & changing with the times. Imagine that in 1980 there were only 11 known reiki masters in the western world & compare that to the figures we have today! (I don't know the exact figures but I assume there must be many thousands or even millions all over the world.)Also reiki has branched out into so many different forms from Usui to Karuna / Sekhem / Kundalini / Tibetan/ Gold reiki etc. It is being combined now with so many different healing modalities & I think the internet age will revolutionalise the use of reiki. I have also received Usui Reiki Empowerments from a reiki master based in Hawaii, whom I had accessed online & I have had wonderful experiences with that as well. I agree with Donna & Liam that the energies of the reiki master must come into play, so maybe I was just fortunate in finding the right RM's, whereas some people do have bad experiences with distant attunements. I have recently heard that Ole Gabrielson has developed some new notes in which he states that people don't need a reiki master to give them attunements, you just ask your higher self to be attuned to Kundalini or Gold reiki etc. & the attunement will come from Source! I find that very interesting - just imagine if it were so simple to be attuned to reiki without the need for a money exchange or to be physically present with the master. If such were the case then imagine the spiritual transformation taking place on earth. Reiki would be available to the masses, rich & poor alike! Must find out more about it..In the meantime let me know your thoughts on the above.

Love & blessings to all of you.

Reikibalance

reikibalance,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I am glad your are feeling more in balance

>:-}}

- as for receiving attuements directly from 'source', so to speak??

- I have discovered no evidence for myself that this can happen and feel that to believe that such can happpen is just another way of eschewing our responsibilities for what we do (crediting or blaming some so-called higher and lower selves really does not get it)

- and, one's so-called lower and higher selves need to be in good communuication for any chance of such a thing happening and that sort of 'unity' requires much work and practice (one of the aspects of kundalini yoga is to become adept with the Kundalini for precisely that sort of connection - to be able to mindfully connect our so-called lower self with the so-called higher self (and eventually thru it, 'source')

>:-}}

- such connections simply do not occur because we wish them to

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Hello Reikibalance, *hugs**
So glad to see your open heartedness in regards to healing and attuning etc..
I also believe we can be attuned through source but our intention has to be clear. We also have to be willing to work with the energy daily to build the light channel within and through us.
There is alot of clearing of negative influence in just stating so innnocently what you have. Many believe that distant attunements are not possible but my thought is that if we are everywhere at once, if we are the ALL then why would that be impossible?
The only draw back would be questions, technqiues, learning and developing skills. They would surely go much quicker with someone else in attendance to show us the basics at the very least.
I like to explore on my own though. I'm way big into that. I like to learn and then take it home and make whatever I have learned my own. I Don't want to be like anyone else and I don't want to do things that do not resonate with me. That is what makes us unique.
Doing things by route because someone else told me too is like being a sheep. Of course if I see value it is one thing. But it is quite another to take someone else's word and then do it even though it doesn't feel right.
I look at reiki techniques and ( gold, kundalini, etc) like I would different churches. If they are teaching uncondtional love they are doing it right. Teach it anyway you like. We are all going to the same place.
But at the same time, a specific technique, religion may not call to someone as strongly as another. So why question too deeply and call wrong the way someone else is doing it because it questions your own authority to be doing it your way? :}}

I don't think there are any accidents. I think that as far as reiki or any other thing were paying for in the world there will be unscrupulous people looking to make a quick buck and take short cuts. On the other hand I truly believe even they are doing their best and its up to us to use OUR own discernment- intuition to figure out what best suites what were trying to learn in the first place.
After all, even being ripped off is a learning experience if we remember not to feel to victimized by the cosmic joke that got us into that situation in the first place.

Am I making sense here? I hope I"m not being to rambly..

Blessings, love, laughter and light always,
Jahnavi

Hello FK,
Why do you feel that just by asking we may not connect to the Source of all love??? Who says it has to be a yogi or someone else more- enlightened, adept?
When you pray do you feel like someone else is in between you and Source praying it up for you? Or would that just be for someone who is running alot of negative energy? Remember connection with Spirit is about faith, not clairity of energy.

I've found that what I most deeply recieve- are the things I'm not just fly by night asking for. That those things have a deeper purpose in my life and I attune naturally to that energy as I continue to work with it and understand it better and its role in my life.
There really is no clearing works to do. - on one hand.
On the other hand the only clearing work we need to do is to understand that there is nothing we need to do to own this connection with Spirit because we are worthy Now. The connection just Is.

So maybe That pereption might be what needs healing.

I also find that being told by authorities ( you in this instance) that one can not communicate with the Source is damaging. I wonder why you would tell anyone that is trying to connect with Source that they cannot do so without lots of healing work and clearing with the higher and lower self. This has just been Your experience.

So perhaps this is not your own experience but to qualify it that way from someone of your caliber is scary to a newbie who might otherwise believe it can be done.

After all energy ALWAYS follows thought. ( there is my qualifier)

It can be done if the heart believes and the spirit believes.
I think the saying is in a nut shell- if you believe it can be done it is done. If you believe it can't it never will. So in both instances you would be right.

I guess it comes down to deciding what type of world you live in. Life is easy, Life is hard. One mindedness.

Blessings,
Jahnavi

...there is also the school of thought that powerful attuenments may not be felt at all. I don't know if I believe this by some RM's who may not be properly attuned themselves.
peace,
Prosperity

...another thought I had ... don't laugh- is that if people can just be attuned distantly.. then one on one teaching may become obselete and the beauty of reiki to me is the personal one on one contact which is the traditional Reiki.
peace,
Prosperity

Prosperity,

Sure they can be attuned distantly. After all, we are everywhere. We are One with the Source.

The thing is, there is nothing that can replace hands on, in person teaching. And connecting with a kind and open loving hand is always a plus.
Some of the folks I"ve attuned ( in person) really, really needed extra guidance, and courage to move into the higher levels in which they have found themselves and I attribute this totally to always supporting the belief they can do anything.

So, no worries, I don't think that the in person attunement is going anywhere just yet. :}

Sadly with the distant attunement, even that can be misunderstood and also used in ways that are not cool. Lets face it. In every walk of life there will be those who want to skim their responsibilities and portray themselves as having attained things they have not.
Thats where listening to he inner voice is of the utmost import for anyone seeking any kind of training.

One thing I noticed when I was doing attunements here in the chat rooms. For some there was no pressure to "be" anything in particular so for many of the people I served, they were able to open up more than if they were in front of me. Almost like nothing to prove that way. Many told me that they were the most profound attunements they ever received.
On the other hand with in person attunements, I found that doing more than one so the person could later open up was more effective because the barrier of fear was then released helped.

So many schools of thought, so little time to enjoy it all.

Peace!

J

jahnavi,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- You are putting words in my mouth and spin on what I said

- can one 'connect' to source thru some sort of spiritual supplicance?

- Sure, why not.

- can one become adept with the Kundalini this way??

- Not likely!

- can one gain all the attunements for Reiki this way??

No.

- attunements and the like, including Kundalini mastery, are matters of Samsara

- yogis, yoginis, and other teachers do not enlighten us - but they can help us with practices by which we may be able to gain enlightenment ourselves

- 'source' is a rather extra-samsaric agent

- in Samsara we must do things for ourselves - I must do compassionate work to help resolve my Karma - no one else can do it for me including 'source'

>:-}}

- the same is true for "mastering" kundalini, Reiki, etc

- one cannot use source as a 'middle-man', so to speak - that is fantasy

- I don't know why you continue to trust so much to wishful thinking

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Hey Fk,
I"m not sure why you believe it is wishful thinking. I think more along the lines of intention. Is the intention clear?
That doesn't mean mastery. And mastery really is what?
When do we ever master anything? Seems more like moving through different experiences and learning from them.
can one become adept with the Kundalini this way??

- can one gain all the attunements for Reiki this way??

No.

How do you know for sure? Why can't we?
That doesn't mean we will have the information we need to have a sucessful business. But books are definately great for self study and self healing.

- attunements and the like, including Kundalini mastery, are matters of Samsara

- 'source' is a rather extra-samsaric agent

There is something out there- or in here I should say that is within through and around us. We tap into by knowing it is possible. Why would I tell myself I cannot? Of course I can. The level of belief I hold about will directly reflect the level of attainment I hold on the subject.

- in Samsara we must do things for ourselves - I must do compassionate work to help resolve my Karma - no one else can do it for me including 'source'

Yes, thats probably true but I'm not sure where it is necessary to need another person to attune me ( by this thread its necesary) if I am one with Source.. ( not that I think a teacher is bad!)
Why is it I need no compassion work to be tapped in through another, but I'm unable to do it on my own? Who is it that made another ( reminds me of catholicism) the authority in my life and tells me what I can and cannot do for myself?

>:-}}

- the same is true for "mastering" kundalini, Reiki, etc

- one cannot use source as a 'middle-man', so to speak - that is fantasy

Once again, how do you know this for sure? And I never said mastering it- like knowing all there is to know. After all this is an energetic and there is still the study and self healing works to do.
If you would say because you experimented then perhaps it was your belief was it couldn't be done?

- I don't know why you continue to trust so much to wishful thinking

It's funny your belief is concrete for sure... and mine is wishful thinking? How is that? You don't beleive me if I say that through my own experience I'm telling you that- this or that occured? Do you doubt my integrity or sincerity? I'm not really into posting fantasy. My truths yes, not my wishful thinking on a subject I'm being direct about. And this was just a question, not an interigation by the way.

So, my question is,
How do you know it is not just your limiting thought that is fullfilling your idea that there is something than ourselves out here attuning us anyway?

After all, isn't all healing self healing? No one can really do it for us. They just give us the courage ( like a tool) and inspiration to know it can be done. We are either accepting or rejecting the energy.
Heck, I've had people tell me that I"m not allowing energy in. Very good healers where I had to readjust my stance, drop my guard and state very clearly that I allowed the energy in. So, I know no one can force me to take energy I don't agree to.
I trust in my higher self to know what is best for me. If I"m half a**ed asking for energy that won't suit my highest good and won't be of benefit to me, it is known and I don't really get much of a charge from what it is I"m doing. I also lose interest quickly.
On the other hand, if the energy is useful, Spirit sends me many avenues with which to become more aware and I find my intention doesnt' waver so much. People come into my life that know about that subject, I see books through one spirit or at the library at work on that energy etc..
Not really wanting the energy- thats wishful thinking on my part as to the level of groundedness an attunement to a particular energy will stick. Not some adept giving us something thats within us anyway. Even being attuned by a master doesn't mean we will become masters. Not really if we don't do the homework and work with the energy itself and develop ourselves within the energy system.

Lots of food for thought and very interested in your reply...

Blessings my man!

J

Interesting discussion...

Jahnavi,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- you said, in part: ".....I'm not sure where it is necessary to need another person to attune me ( by this thread its necesary) if I am one with Source."

- if any one of us were in complete unison with Source we would not be here in Samsara - thus the need for or even possibility of a "direct reiki attunement" would be entirely moot

>:-}}

- since we are not anywhere near a complete unison with source the likelihood of a direct attunement is miniscule even with what Intention we can muster - this is why symbols for attuments are used so often - they are something people can connect with - they are Samsara just as we are Samsara

- now, the non-attunement methods Usui Sensei used with some students would suggest a closer unsion with ULE and by extension also source - but these methods were not effective with all students - that is, the students were unable to utilize them

- and, another aspect of our incomplete unison (alignment) with source is that we are prone to active imagination and other forms of imagination as well

- so it is nothing at all to do with doubting integrity

- example, in Kundalini yoga it is the practices that matter - the Teacher is really only there to present the tradition and coach the techniques - the students must practice, be mindful of their development, and utilize it for their well-being

- and, there are certain tests that can be done (observed by a Teacher or other dis-interested party) to assess one's progress with working with the Kundalini and connection to the larger energy of the universe - someone who has not done any sort of practices that deal with the Kundalini simply cannot perform the feats (those who came into Samsara with developed gifts already may be excepted but such folk are the exception)

- if someone says they can perform one of these feats (which is not the way of Yoga and meditation - to make such Ego-statements) and I ask for a demonstration this is not an attack on integrity (but, when people take certain things personally it does tend to set of little alarms for me) - of course, the person may simply have a very active imagination (no crime there) or may even be delusional, for all I know (no crime there either)

- but, of course, to put oneself forward to others with some gain in mind may constitute fraud if one does not have the credentials and\or skills claimed (and fraud is a crime}

- when someone is attuned, that person must accept the attunement - and, of course, the level and clarity of Mindfulness among students does vary a whole bunch - bagl

- but, the attunements are not really given - they are offered and must be openly accepted (which speaks back to all matters of permission)

- what anyone believes about themself if it is intended only for him\herself is their business, of course. All the issues of which we speak only come up when we involve those around us in our doings which include beliefs\fantasies\imagininigs\delusions, etc

>:-}}

- finally (for now at any rate, bagl) you said: "So, my question is, How do you know it is not just your limiting thought that is fullfilling your idea that there is something than ourselves out here attuning us anyway?

- my 'limiting thought' is, in many way no different than your limited thought - we are both creatures of Samsara - but my thought is not a priori fulfilling anything - my thoughts (including those that may reflect my imagination) arise just as yours do and I may examine them and dismiss them - just as we may examine our experieneces

- yet, when one person's thoughts seem contradicted by another's experience (or evidence) then we get to discussions such as these - similar to die hards who say the world was created on Oct 4, 4004 BC simply because they believe it to be so - and damned (or at least ignored) be all the evidence to the contrary

>:-}}

- attunements by spiritual osmosis?? Nah.

- take care

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

I plan to have attunements to Reiki I and II in a one week-end intensive course. I've been prompted by the "powers that be" to have these attunements. I feel like I'm being
drawn to be a spiritual healer and Reiki seems the logical choice for me.

Is detox a common thing? Is it like your physical self catching up to your spiritual self ?

Should I rethink doing both in the same weekend ?

If so, what's the timespan in between that you recommend?

I know these are difficult question as attunments affect everyone differently. Any advice you give me would be greatly appreciated.

ladyehawk,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I would recommend that you do Reiki 1 then have at least about 6 months of fairly regular hands-on practices before doing Reiki 2

- best way to begin to cultivate your connection to the flow of energy

- I mean, what's the hurry?

- detox? Some get it some don't - and it comes in all sorts of flavors and intensities for those that do

>:-}}

- and , sometimes it seems that folks will report some sort of 'symptomology' simply because they were told to expect it

- in my Reiki 1 class, lo these many years, we were not told to expect 'detox' and I recall only maybe about 10% of the folks having post attunement issues

- and there were at least six of us that did reiki shares for six months together before Reiki 2 and then continued after that for nearly two years (twice a month, usually) before considering Reiki Master

- hope this helps

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

This helps a lot. I thought it was too much in one week-end. I guess we should always trust gut, huh?

I will look for someplace for a Reiki I attunement and worry about Reiki II when the time comes. I does make sense
to take this slowly.

Thanks for fast response.

Otoharo!

I would say not to do both. Reiki I is too important and needs practice and lots of practice to get its full benefits. The rest of the levels depends on solid reiki I.

finality

Thank You Finality. I found a place nearby, after I logged out. I can take just Reiki 1. It's $195.00 which I think is reasonable. I may have to wait until after the holidays,
but that's O.K. It's a good, positive to start the new year.

7 is one of my lucky numbers !!

Many Blessings,
Ladyehawk