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Otoharo!

Last night I awoke while in communication with someone during the night. This is the gist of it as I recall it.

Water as a liquid seeks the center of the earth, thus fills up any cavity it moves into. As the ocean, the action of the earth in spinning, causes water to move in waves. The action of wind upon the surface of a lake or pond also causes water to move at the surface. this is the nature of water when a liquid.

When water freezes, it is a solid. Its nature as a solid is that it does not move, nor respond to the pull of gavity (maybe it does) It is still.

When water evaporates, it is a gas. as a gas, water moves upward and stays in the sky. that is its nature.

Is water intellegent because it does all these things. Or is it simply being itself, according to its nature.

In the same way. reiki is an energy perhaps like water, that stimulates the body of living things to restore themselves to their nature. Whatever their natural state is. A human's natural state is having no hindrances to being the supreme state of itself. We call this healing, that reiki does. It probably does nothing but the body takes it and uses it to bring all this about.

Some humans call this intellegence. That reiki has intellegence. i maintain that reiki is simply being itself, and its nature has trmendous effects upon living bodies.

finality

finality,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- water is water

- ULE is ULE

- and, in some respects the twain may never meet

- the former responds to the forces of its environment: gravity, heat, loss of heat, etc

- the latter may respond to Intention and Mindfulness

>:-}}

- Intelligent?? One view is that neither water or ULE has Intention of its own (I intend, ergo I may be intelligent)

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

I agree that reiki responds to intention and mindfulness. As I comprehend, everything we encounter in our physical lives responds to us in some way, Matter does. nature does. energy does.

finality

We've had this discussion before haven't we firekeeper - sorry to butt in like this finality - I've not been here for a reeeeeeely long time and the first post I read is this one - I just had to say HIYA to everyone.

Love to all who know me and HAPPY NEW YEAR

Eleanor

ps - love the new site

My Dearest Eleanor,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- how wonderful to see you!!!

- I trust you have been and continue to be well!

- yes, this one's been sliced, diced, stewed, brewed, hacked, and sacked and generally put thru the mill

>:-}}

- you know how it is - to pull out a jar of red pepper flakes that have been on the spice rack for three years and expect them to have a kick

>:-}}

- take care and don't be such a stanger

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

As it happens, I have also been taught: Reiki knows where to go; I need do nothing (other than place my hands in position).

Frank Arjava Petter says:
“The Reiki power naturally finds its own paths, precisely where it is needed. However, this does not exclude the possibility of the people giving the treatment following their own inspiration with their hands. A Western Reiki treatment is a type of large-scale treatment; the Japanese, intuitive treatment is specifically directed: the more precise we work, the better the results will naturally be.”

And, Diane Stein says:
“…the person has only to place her two hands down to heal, either on a pain area or using the Reiki full-body hand-positions. The Ki energy does the rest, without any direction, flowing through the healer’s hands. The healer may or may not know what needs healing, but the energy has an intelligence far beyond human and will go where it is needed.”

And also, Diane Stein says:
“Very little conscious focusing is required when using Reiki. Put your hands down with the intent to heal and the energy flows—no matter what else you may be doing or thinking about at the time…. I have often taught a workshop while my hands are doing Reiki as I talk. The person receiving the healing is not deprived, the energy needs no directing.”

In allowing for the role of intuition as Frank Petter does, Diane Stein adds:
“The hand positions for self-healing are the basis for all the other Reiki positions as well. While I give them below in an organized manner, always allow intuition free play. If you are guided in a healing to put your hands somewhere not designated as a Reiki position, do so. Likewise, if your are guided to skip a position or to do it out of order.”

I do understand that one's truth is one's own experience.
Given that, I'd still very much like to read your comments.
Please tell me what do you make of the above?

Also: Firekeeper, may I ask how you direct ULE through intention?

Peace Be,

resplen

Otoharo!

FK, I am using water as a metaphor. No metphor is exact else it would not be a metaphor.

finality

Many threads are perennial--they recycle back again and again and yet, again. Relatively newly attuned Reiki practitioners will test, explore and question as they accumulate experience of their own. Honest questions never get "old" or "tired".

I do search past messages to explore what's been said on a particular thread in the past and sometimes, I am still led to post the same thread anew.

Thanks to this forum there is always help, understanding, support and insight at hand.

resplen

resplen,

Hi,

Yes, even slightly stale bread is nourishing (and a blessing). I am great fan of day-olde rye.

:)

Cheers,

RC

RC!

Yes, it's great for French Toast, even recommended.
Birds are grateful too.

Peace Be,

resplen

RC--

Lest I forget: turkey stuffing, as well.

Peace Be,

resplen

and dont forget bread pudding! :o) x

But, but, but I don't like bread pudding.... :~(

resplen,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- don't care for bread pudding?? I'll make rice pudding

- and.......

- I'll throw in some some piping hot Dornoch haggis, recipe courtesy of Jacqi MacGregor, Borgie Lodge (if I can get her to send it to me)

>:-}}....

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Resplen,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- there are several questions: if Reiki knows where to go for what are we needed??

>:-}}

- if Reiki knows where to go and what to do then how is it that so many report that Reiki "didn't work'??

- or, how is it that Reiki seems not to know how to find and shrink tumors when clearly this is what is needed??

- or, do you imagine that Mr. Petter simply 'lets attunements happen' as if the Reiki knows what to do??

>:-}}

- without mindfulness or intention supplied (hopefully) by the practitioner??

- no, holding that Reiki knows anything simply means we can essentially eschew ourselves of most if not all of our involvment and responsibility - but, we are involved - much more than some seem to have any notion

>:-}}

- as for Intention?? Energy responds to intention

- but not all energy responds to intention in the same manner or to the same degree

- and, of course, the mindfulness and intention skills varies quite a bit across practitioners - this being a Key variable

- but, a shaman or magician may turn energy to any number of tasks given proper mindfulness and intention

>:-}}

- as for myself and reiki? My intention during practices is to get the eneregy to whom or what (animal or other sentient) has given permission for me to do so

- once the energy has been 'sent' without polluting it with my personal energy, my part is largely over - but, I take responsibility for my envolvment - without my intentions the energy certainly would not get there (unless someone else were working as well, of course)

- the recipient must use the energy to the best of his\her\its abilities and according to his\her\its gifts

- there is really is nothing more basic than this

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,

Ugh! Rice pudding.

Piping hot Dornoch haggis, er, sounds interesting...

Peace Be,

resplen

Oh, no!

Are we talking about haggis, again?

"Reiki knows where to go " was something that I think is possably a misquote of something that Mrs Takata said in as much as she could have said "it appears to know where to go" (not 100% on that, but I do find it difficult to beleive that she didn't have that insight when she had so many others"
The it knows where to go thing was turned in Reiki being intelligent by William Rand (or so James tells me)
Rand and Petter have had a very close association over the years, and lets face it the Reiki is Intellilgent mantra has entered Reiki lore big time.

I wonder what Petters current view on it is now that he has simplified his Reiki practice and gone back to basics.

It would seem from Reiki History that Niether Usui or Hayashi considered Reiki to be intelligent or it knowing where to go, other wise why did they have handbooks with all of those different hand positions?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Hi Roxy
But Haggis is the meaning of life isn't it? or is that only when you add a dram or 4 of the finest single highland malt to the equation and get rid of the haggis?

Namaste

Rob
Truth is not a property of language because language has not been able to express abstract ideas as efficiently as concrete items

Dear Mr. Rob,

Nice to see you!

Perhaps I should meditate on haggis and see what I come up with.

Hugs,
Roxy

I'm not so much in th view that reiki is intelligent, but I've also been told that reiki knows were to go.
I've also been told that the reiki of itself when being channelled to a someone, is seprate from the practioner and that the practioners personal stuff doesn't intrude or 'pollute'.
My view is that reiki is just reiki, ULE, or whatever, the divine spirit that we all share Knows where the reiki is to go and so directs it to that area, no matter where. The divine spirit of the other then grabs the ule and uses it. We may not or may now conciously whats happening, but I think that this explanation(for me) gives the nod to why the idea came about of how reiki knows were to go and some say its intelligent. I think.,

Maybe it is the recipients' and practitioners' bodies and souls that are intelligent.

Thus moderating and directing the use of the energies, and therefore subject to mindfulness (conscious and subconscious), etc.

Robin

rob,

/*\ Namsate :-}}

- glad to see you!!

- irregardless of what Takata Sensi may have said (I am in her lineage and the Master that taught me said nothing of the sort) or whether she was "misquoted" or what spin others put on for whatever purposes, nothing in my experience has ever led me to conclude that ULE has an intelligence of its own that predisposes it to "know where to go or know what to do"

- again, I feel that those who grant ULE intelligence, knowingly or not, are taking a step or two back from their responsibilites as practitioners

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper
PS: just between you and me?? I suspect that Takata Sensei and her Teacheing Masters, as they went out to widen Reiki practices, encountered the voices that said that ordinary mortals should not do laying-on-of-hands - that this was sacreligious (in one way or another) - so the 'intelligence thing' may have developed to try and appease these folks - folks who, among other virtues, might have $$$ for Reiki classes

>:-}}

mr Rob,

/*\ Namsate :-}}

- so, how does it have to be one or the other???

bagl

- afterall, Jacqui's Dornoch delight will never ruin an Aberlour or Glenmorangie (and vise versa)

>:-}}...

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

A minimum of 4 and one might be able to "stomach" the haggis

;-)

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca