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Good-morning Reiki-ites,
Would the symbols be the same as archetypes? I was reading the Course in Miracles and it says that anger is caused by seeing something that isn't there. As the symbols go, how does one know that a certain symbol really means what Mikao Usui says it means? I was told Mikao Usui had a vision from God but is it really coming from an intuitive place to believe it? How does one know for sure? Please no metaphysical psycho-babble. I've always on some level been a bit skeptical due to the unbalanced aspect of some of the symbols such as 1st and 2nd symbols and then when I found out Mikao Usui wasn't really a X-tian Minister. Any one else out there who doesn't have blind trust or not in extreme denial? Am I seeing something that isn't there?
peace,
Prosperity

prosperity,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- to some, the term archetypes falls well into the realm of psycho babble

>:-}}

- I am also not certain what you mean by the assertion about 'unstable' qualities of the #1 & 2 symbols?

- what instability have you actually encountered?

- for myself?? I would say that practitioners' view of the symbols and their mindfulness and intentions are much more likely to be "unstable" than are the symbols

>:-}}

- as for Usui Sensei getting the symbols from god? Who can say so? Has god told someone this? If not I would say such assertions are at best disinformation or simply out-right manufactured nonsense just to fill some knowledge gap with which people are uncomfortable

- as someone once observed: If it is not there how on earth may one see "it", whatever "it is".

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Firekeeper,
Namaste. The 1st and 2nd symbols just how they are drawn do not look balanced. I've seen them drawn 2 ways and one way it sort of looks like a strange looking 3 or 5 with another symbol that looks like a mickey mouse hat sitting on it's side. The other way it's drawn looks something like a side profile of someone with a big pointed nose and a micky mouse hat on the side or a strange set of breasts if you're looking downwards.
Other symbols look more like Asian writing. These came to Mikao Usui in a vision from where? If not from God then that is where the concern would lie.
Peace,
Prosperity

prosperity,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- you said: "If not from God then that is where the concern would lie."

- would you elaborate??

- as for the symbols "looking unbalanced?" Such an aethetic appraisal (bias?) hardly seems a solid foundation to assert they are 'unstable'.

- it is we practitioners who are 'unstable' in one way or another and to one degree or another. I won't blame a symbol.

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Firekeeper,
I agree that it is the practitioners that would be more likely to be unstable and moreso if the symbol represented instability. All things come from God, even the demonic and what if there are demonic forces that are putting out those symbols as it is said the devil disguises himself as an innocent lamb.
peace,
Prosperity

have you felt as if your Reiki work is "of the devil", prosperity? Have you not received the same peace & calm & understanding that your clients receive when you work with them? I don't acknowledge the devil (nor do I think it part of God).....yes there is evil...but if our intent is ALWAYS to the highest good of the one whom we're working with....does it matter whether the symbols are right or wrong or imbalanced....or are we merely playing mind games with ourselves, again.....doubting that this wondrous Spirit driven energy can be there within each one of us for the asking....
Wish I could hold you for a bit, kiddo.

Dear Ponderings,
Yes everything comes from God-mind and yes to me it is important if something is right or wrong or unbalanced no matter what are intent is. Intention is important. I have not felt as if Reiki is of the devil what ever that means. I have just met unscrupulous Reiki masters. Energies can be manipulated as can people. The Asian and European cultures know this about the WEstern culture and shake their heads sadly about us and the Eastern culture has spoken of concerns with us Westerners and how we use knowledge etc.,& to what means as many tend to be easily deceived and led astray.
peace,
Prosperity

prosperty,

/*\ namaste :-}}

- let us not forget that The Cafe is primarily a Reiki site - not a theology site

- having reminded ourselves of that...

- you said, in part: "All things come from God, even the demonic....."

- for myself??? Nonsense!

- in Samsara it is the effects of our actions and our interpretations of the results or our actions (and those of others) that are said to be demonic - or otherwise

- it is Karma of all people accumulated over all the millenia of our evolution that manifest the love and hate and indifference we experience in ourselves and others

- I do not allow my self to make god\dess a "middle person", so to speak, for human doings and folly

- we and only we are responsible for all our actions and our souls

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear firekeeper,
Interesting yet not surprising.
For some reason that I would like to know, it seems that you may be saying that I view Creator God/dess as a middle person. ? As for demonic to say you are a shaman and say demonic is not from the mind of God but from our actions only and our karma I could only reply at my level of spirituality that you could be right and I could be wrong to
imply that everything comes from source and so much for Carlos Castenada books.
peace
Prosperity

Prosperity

prosperity,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I am not sure you understand the workings of sorcerers who may also be shamans and healers

- the energy which sorcerers draw upon whether for healing, defense, eradication of nasties, or doing harm is always available

- it is the intention that one applies to the energy which is crucial

- if a sorcerer or shaman or witch or other magician directly summons an entity (for help or harm or??) that is somewhat different

- but, remember, many entities have their own agendas and are not slaves or servants - I have heard it said, (putting aside my views of god and source for the time being), that god hears all requests - sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes it is you have to wait for an answer, sometimes the answer is no}

- my impression though is that supplicants do not seek 'favors' from source in the same fashion - suggesting that source and god are not isomorphic

- so, many entities simply do not 'come running' to do our bidding when we call

- it is also said there are some energy complexes of a more negative predisposition which may be harnessed somewhat like a slave but I have no personal experience calling such complexes (which are also said to reflect an expression of the Collective Shadow of the human species)

- doing clearings and that sort of thing is much more my cup of tea

>:-}}

- one view is: ignorance is not bliss since what we don't know might end up hurting us

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Firekeeper,
Not all dictate to the Divine or want to control unpleasant entities. However if you intend healing and someone gets healed with Reiki, doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct thing to do. And I agree that many entities have their own agendas. My point exactly!
peace,
Prosperity

Dear Prosperity,

It's true. All things come from God, aka the Creator(lots of other monikers could be used). For this diatribe I will use the name God.

Now keep in mind that when we say "God says this" or "God created that" or "God will judge thee" etc. it always comes from some men or women with ego based agendas. This includes the long ago edited bible/koran etc. texts and editing that we see today.

All things come from God? okay..let's work that. There is that biblical issue about the fallen or cast out angel to consider. Supposedly he/she is the devil and the cause of all that's evil around us. And has been at it for some time now. According to the Fundies around the world God is all powerful. So why does God not do away with El Diablo and get back to the peace , harmony and Light that humans experienced thousands of years ago?

It's because God, Allah etc., is not the hands on manager that people have such a hard-on to believe. God is more of a sacred essence than a personality . If God he/she were a personality he/she would have put a beat down on many leaders of most religions a long time ago and put a stop to alot of destructive crap. Not to mention Lucifer. Or whatever the Fundie violent, mind controlled Islam extremists call the Lucifer. I thinks it's the "West" or "America" or somesuch.

As far as our struggle with Light vs. Dark or Good vs. Evil, it's going on in our incarnate side and on the other side as well. Both sides are always managing and doing thier best to ramp up recruitment efforts. Old souls eventually veer towards the Light. Young or abused souls are easier game for dark side recruitment.

Which brings us back to where we started; Yin-Yang, snake eating it's tail. Dark side is part of the game. But to what degree? Tables are turning now and the Light is getting it's hold on the next thousand years. It's up to the individual to manage their destiny for this incarnation. Choose your side and manage your mind-body-spirit connection from there.

Namaste,
Michael

Michael,

/*\ Namaste :-}]

- to briefly and hopefully finally do a little violating of my own suggestion about theology at The Cafe........

- someone once suggested that if one tries to explain everything with everything then one explains nothing

- one view is that god is a construct devised by man to explain everythng (since some say everything comes from god)

- in this vein, obviously one can not explain anything, account for everything, or blame everything on god by referring to god (if, as is hypothesized everything comes from god)

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Whoosh, mind boggling words to cuddle with on a beautiful fall Saturday morn....thank you all. Wow!!!

Dear Firekeeper,

Pardon me if I'm being intellectually slow but are you agreeing with me (sounds like) or offering a counter point?

Namaste,
Michael

Otoharo!

The information I have is that Reiki was given to Usui by one of the HEB's as an answer to his prayer. He was most insistant.

When I visualize and say mentally the first symbol, I always am filled with warm, peaceful, feelings. Can't argue with that!

When I learned the second symbol, I visualized it at every chakra area even though I was taught to use it at the head. My experience was that there is an emotional factor at every chakra. Xaris asked me why I did that and did not make further comment when I answered.

finality

Dear Finality,
Do you get a warm, peaceful feeling when you say or visualize a swastika due to it's original meaning?
peace,
Prosperity

Otoharo!

No, and I do not see the signifidcance of your question. what does that have to do with anything?

finality

arati,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- if you are suggesting that referencing god as responsible for anything is unnecesary in Samsara then we might just have some grounds for agreement

>:-}}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Finality,
Well the swastika is one of the oldest symbols meaning friendship and well-being so just because you have associated it with Hitler you don't feel the warm fuzzies like you do with the 1st symbol in Reiki. The swastika has been used to create or represent another meaning as the intention changed from friendship to destruction or superiority. So, feelings aren't necessarily facts. You stated who can argue with that when saying you felt good when you thought of the 1st symbol in Reiki. Because you have been told by a RM whoever that is represents so and such and you believe it, hence beliefs create feelings. I'm saying the symbol seems unbalanced. So, taking a supposedly unbalanced looking symbol and using it for balancing seems a bit odd. Sorry if I offend anyone.
Peace,
Prosperity

prosperity said on

>Dear Finality,
Because you have been told by a RM whoever that is represents so and such and you believe it, hence beliefs create feelings.
Otoharo!

I know. I do not believe. I know the energy of reiki. It is not a question of what I believe about it.

finality

ouch.....low blow.....prosperity....way beneath you....

prosperity said on

>Dear Firekeeper,
> I agree that it is the practitioners that would be more likely to be unstable and moreso if the symbol represented instability. All things come from God, even the demonic and what if there are demonic forces that are putting out those symbols as it is said the devil disguises himself as an innocent lamb.
>peace,
>Prosperity

Oh good grief, this is coming up yet again? Prosperity, do you read the Bible? "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." Matthew 7:16-18. BTW, this comes _immediately_ after the verse warning about those who appear as lambs but inwardly are "ravening wolves." So the text and test seem quite clear -- what sort of results ("fruit") are you getting with the symbols? Harm, or healing?

Bruce

Bruce,

Hi,

If, as you suggest, it is left to the individual to decide what is harm and what is healing or what seems to be of no effect (except Karmically, of course),then of what relevance is quoting the bible?

Cheers,

RC

reikicurmudgeon said on

>Bruce,
>
>Hi,
>
>If, as you suggest, it is left to the individual to decide what is harm and what is healing or what seems to be of no effect (except Karmically, of course),then of what relevance is quoting the bible?
>
>Cheers,
>
>RC

Guidance. Especially for people who profess to be Christians (not saying that Prosperity is one of 'em; I don't know for sure whether she is, although most of the sort of concerns she voiced in this thread seem in the past to have come from such people) but who don't even bother to read the basic Christian compilation (Bible).