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Otoharo!

You remind me of what my friend says about being reiki with me. she KNOWS that whatever it is that I desire to heal, does not exist. she simply brings my energy to that place where nothing ill exists.

finality

Otoharo!

In Inner Peace Movement, Francisco gave us methods of by-passing the energy of the astral plane. Here, are confused souls and controlling people. This energy is actually negative in relation to us. Perhaps the defination is always relative to something else.

finality

aronaya,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- you said: "Actually, I don't. I don't see compassionate action coming out of fear, nor do I see it attracting negativity.

My point is the opposite, that fear attracts negativity."

- yet you say that reiki symbols may be used out of fear - that they are some sort of armoring

- yet reiki is compassionate action

- so how may the symbols be used as armoring (out of fear) if they are simply tools to help some folks with compassionate action??

???????

- also, please be very clear: I do not use or adhere to the so-called mantra "Reiki does no harm"

- that mantra, as you put it, reflects blindness to certain 'realities' (bagl) of energy work

- mindfulness is a process that applies in all things - if in the process of developing and applying mindfulness (tho some seem not to bother or see the importance) we reduce our fears (which are based largely on the our reactions that things are not as we would like them, aka suffering), then that is all well and good

>:-}}

- there is nothing abstract about the act of being mindful

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

aronaya said on

>That was the most English he had spoken the whole workshop. It was notable that he considered it important enough to speak without an interpreter. He was very emphatic.
>
>The question was something like, how do you defend yourself against negative energy?
>
>He just answered with the single sentence, then started teaching the next movement.
>
>Blessings,
>Aronaya

That's interesting, but in light of his apparently limited English and the absence of exposition, I'm not sure of what he meant. And in view of other qigong masters' comments about the energetic conditions of various disorders, again I'm not sure of what the visiting master's comments meant. Have you noted the prickly heat of cancer? What would "no ill energy" mean in that context?

Bruce

That's an excellent way to talk about it -- negative energy is relative, never absolute. As others here might say it, the relative world is samsara, illusion.

That does remind me that the above-mentioned Master Duan did say some things suggesting he had experienced satori or Oneness through his practice of Qiqong, so I suspect his view of 'ill' energy was from the perspective of his transcendent experience.

By the way, he called his practice Primordial Chaos Qiqong.

Blessings,
Aronaya

Bruce, see my reply to finality this date, slightly before this time -- I remembered a bit of the context.

I realize my quoting of Master Duan has let me hide behind him somewhat, rather than making the assertion of "no negative energy" on its own merits -- my apologies for that bit of intellectual cowardice.

On the "prickly heat" of cancer, no I have not experienced that, but I would try to explain my view by saying that the treatment for such, under the assertion of "no negative energy", would be stronger and more effective, the more the practitioner could see past the apparent negative, to the wholeness of the cancer sufferer. Seeing the beauteous truth, beyond the apparent ugliness. Being resolute, insisting on validating the sufferer's wholeness and beauty, rather than focusing on the negativity of the cancer.

I'll give another example from my own learning and experience: there was a time not so long ago, when I became entranced by my ability to intuitively zero in on the place in a client's body where they held their deepest emotional pain. Well, I put a stop to feeding my ego with that practice, after I had a rare spell of dizziness after one such zeroing-in, and had to get clearing help from a friend, who was fortunately right there to help. So now, while still noting those places of deep hurt, I diligently practice seeing beyond them, again, to the wholeness and beauty of the client.

To generalize from this example, I take this lesson as to say, "yes, we can note the appearance of the deep wound, yet know that it is still only surface, projection, a shadow on the wall, and seeing through to Oneness is the fearless compassionate action."

Blessings,
Aronaya

Thank you all, for your questions, thoughts and debate. I'll continue to check this thread until it scrolls into Cafe history. And, I may have a followup, in a new thread, unless someone else wants to talk about it, regarding tonglen practice and what I see as its expression of the "no negative energy" principle.

A comment to reinforce my gratitude:

Firekeeper commented that I seemed to be trying very hard to express a thought here. His timely comment reminded me, that when I get all teacher-ly about something, it's usually because I need to apply the lesson first to myself. Having this forum debate and challenge me keeps ego in check, and highlights where I need to shine a light in my own dark closets. So, I must be needing to work out something powerful about my own perception of "negative energy", to find a deeper measure of peace. Talking, writing, out loud about it, has been a wonderful way to build up my courage to again, light and learn my path. Thank you, deeply!

See your true radiant face, and go in peace.

Blessings,
Aronaya

Otoharo!

I want to comment on the words we use. In my group we called all that all in my group talked about and dealt with, reality or real, whereas, what I talked about was actual but not real. So I finally learned the difference. In the real world, what we call negative does not exist. But to us in the actual world all we talk about seems real.

Earlier tonight I was thinking again about information about the big shift. Whereas, in reality the exact second that we hit the big shift is known, but we, humanity, messes with time. We do not cause the big shift to happen at a different time, we do the opposite. We change time around which confuses us but not those and that which are in the real world. I have been wrestling with this issue for years now. I think I am finally getting it!

I will retell that story in case I have confused you. Xaris told us about the shift and that it would come sooner than 2012 as the Mayans predicted. During our periods of questioning, she commented that the exact time is known to the second, but we mess with time. I could not figure thisout. I conjecture that this happening is associated with our passage around the center of being. Our meaning our milky way. Humans could not interrupt this passage! Surely! Today, I am seeing that we could experience it exactly as it happens but we won't think it is happening at the time we thought it would.

I think I have messed up the whole thing! Anyway it is clear to me.

finality

Otoharo!

Another catch hit me just now! I have translating "ill" to mean negative. All of you are talking about "ill". Maybe, I will catch up! I agree that what causes our bodies to feel ill to us and to our doctors is not of itself ill. It simply is an energy that our bodies are having some difficult dealing with.

finaltiy

ahhhhh, yes....reveal accept release. Thank you for your wondrous words, Aronaya.

Aronaya,

I have been following this thread with great interest.

In another teaching (not Reiki related) I was taught:
As you say--
See past the appearances--see the person as
whole/perfect.

And, so, as you say, the focus in on wholeness, and
nothing less. (Focusing on less would empower the ugly,
etc.)

resplen

Aronaya,

Aronaya says:
"So now, while still noting those places of deep hurt,
I diligently practice seeing beyond them, again, to
the wholeness and beauty of the client."

If I understand correctly, you:
--note places of deep hurt/emotional pain
--place your hands on the places of deep hurt
--see beyond appearances to the wholeness of the person
throughout the treatment session

Yes?

resplen

Aronaya,

What you say: "...teacher-ly about something, it's usually
because I need to apply the lesson first to myself"
rings true for me too.

That is--what I write about reveals what I have
still to learn and to integrate.

Sharing in this forum helps enormously.

Thanks again, for a great thread.

resplen

Like a Universal mirror.....awesome.

Yes, Ponderings, like a mirror. How true.

resplen