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Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/25/2000 7:22 AM
ID# 1420
Namaste All.

I have just been considering our destiny in this lifetime and wondering if there is anything that we can do to change it by exercising freewill.....or if we did, would this be predestined anyway ?

I guess what I am trying to say is, if we have freewill, is it already preordained what decisions we will take in order to achieve our karmic destiny here on earth or do we really have freewill?

Hope my ramblings haven't confused everyone :)))

Love,Light and Blessings
Helen.

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/25/2000 8:14 AM
ID# 1423
This is a reply to: 1420
Helen,

My view is not all that complicated. Remember the 'kiss'...

I think that there is the parameter of things that we have/will make choices about, given that there is always more than one or two choices...(YES, MORE than TWO!!) WE have a lot of freewill.

All of these choices are part of your destiny. There are many good choices along the way without going out of the parameter. Some of them simply 'better' than others. It is all choice. (But who knows which are better?)

You have ordered these choices yourself. YES it is free choice. Even going OUTSIDE of the parameter is part of the choice. You have choices there as well. BUT who can tell what is outside? Only YOU. By the amount of happiness/satisfaction that you have with your life.

Fantastic maze, is it not?

Love and Light, Priestess

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/25/2000 10:38 AM
ID# 1427
This is a reply to: 1420
helen,

namaste.

one view is that our actions are our choice. the effects of our actions (the stuff that accummulates as our karma) is not our choice - we cannot choose what effects our actions will have.

since we must resolve our karma, it is our choice how we do this - sometimes we choose well - sometimes not so well.

:-}}

hope this helps,

reiki al around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/25/2000 12:28 PM
ID# 1430
This is a reply to: 1420
Dear Helen,
What an amazing question ,may I try to unravel the mystery of Karma a bit?? A sanskrit aphorism says "Karmano Gahana Ghatih". This means karma runs indescribaly deep.Like a deep ravine or chasm, and cannot be measured or understood fully.
Consider this, it may take many intricately linked karmic actions to produce ONE result or ONE small karmic action may result in many karmic repercusions on various levels.

Karma is of many types:
1) Dirdha Karma----Fixed Karma ,destiny that is unchanging.
2)Dirdhs-adirdhs Karma: Fixed-unfixed Karma,This can be changed to an extent with right effort.
3) Adridha Karma: unfixed Karma, not determined and changable with present effort.

Karma is also classified as past,present and future....but that everyone knows about anyway.
QUESTION IS HOW TO USE REIKI FOR KARMIC CHANGES??
The main karmic "contents" would be in the ROOT Chakra!!!
Also in others but I feel mainly in the root......so we Reiki there...once a man sat on a rock for 12 years doing penance, after 12 years God appeared and asked " you have pleased me ,ask for a boon". The man said" God give me the karmic fruits of my actions". God suggested he change the request but as the man was adamant God said" OKay ,you sat on that rock for 12 years now let that rock sit on your head for 12 years".

Divine Power (Like Reiki) can "burn up" our stored negative Karmas ,as per their category( see above.. Dridha and Adridha Karmas)

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/25/2000 12:34 PM
ID# 1432
This is a reply to: 1430

Sharat,

Glad to see you made it to this board!

that is a very deep answer.... For SOME of us here!! (me)
I need a little time to digest that answer.....hummmmmmmmm
I will take curtain number 3...

I bet Helen didn't know what she was in for when she asked THAT question..... right Helen? ;-}

L & L Priestess

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/25/2000 1:08 PM
ID# 1436
This is a reply to: 1430
sharat bhagat,

namaste.

welcome to the cafe.

A Teacher once suggested that Source does not rule karma - or direct it - manage the rules of karma, perhaps.

In one way or another, whether in the physical body or another vehicle of less dense matter between incarnations, we may resolve all "forms" of our karma.

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/25/2000 10:49 PM
ID# 1464
This is a reply to: 1420
Helen,

I have been pondering the same thing recently (during the hour long 10 mile commute to and from work) I am not confused but I think any answers that we get will just confuse us. I have no firm conclusions to any of it.

Carolyn


re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 12:23 AM
ID# 1465
This is a reply to: 1420

Hello lovely lady, *Hugs you, pouring love into you *
It is hard to Not follow our own desitiny honey. Every choice we can ever make, already
exists. If it didn't, it couldn't be. So there is no way for surprises. We simply choose it
into Be-ing.
Hope this helps,
Love you, you sweet angel
Susan

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 10:40 AM
ID# 1475
This is a reply to: 1423

Hi Priestess,

Namaste.

Many thanks, your reply makes a lot of sense to me.

It is a fantastic maze....but one that I seem permanently lost in :))))

Love,light and Blessings
Helen.

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 10:43 AM
ID# 1477
This is a reply to: 1427
Firekeeper,

Namaste.

Yes, I think I understand, so in effect then once we have taken an action and caused an effect, we cannot change the outcome and resulting karma?

Or have I completely got the wrong end of the stick? :))))

Love,Light and Blessings
Helen.

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/26/2000 10:50 AM
ID# 1478
This is a reply to: 1430
Hi Sharat,

Namaste.

Many thanks for your reply.

Would this effectively mean then, that if we did enough compassionate Reiki we might start the next lifetime with a clean slate, having cleared all negative karma?

Love,light and Blessings
Helen.

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/26/2000 10:52 AM
ID# 1479
This is a reply to: 1432

Priestess,

You read my mind :)))))))

Love,Light and Laughter
Helen.

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 10:56 AM
ID# 1481
This is a reply to: 1464
Carolyn,

Maybe we'll never get to know the answers in this lifetime, I think I must have been born with the question 'why' on my lips and it's never stopped :)))

Love,Light and Blessings
Helen.

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 10:58 AM
ID# 1482
This is a reply to: 1465
Hi Susan,

Thank you your words always help and big Hugs for you too :)

Much Love,
helen.

re: Changing our destiny?

posted at 10/26/2000 10:59 AM
ID# 1483
This is a reply to: 1477
helen,

namaste.

yes, I feel you have the correct end of the bat. :-}} and are getting in the swing of things. :-}}

once the Effects are set in motion, we are out of the loop except that the accummulated karma will have to be resolved (depending of course on the actions in question}.

Compassionate Action, for example, is almost never a problem.

:-}}

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

A reply to you Helen.

posted at 10/27/2000 9:37 AM
ID# 1501
This is a reply to: 1478
Dear Helen,
Quite true in my opinion ,but as I said Karma runs deep and is not possible to fathom all aspects of it. What is implied in texts on Karma ( to my understanding) is that we refrain from doing deeds that would reap bad fruits like violence,stealing etc.,and do deeds that would reap beneficial fruits...giving Reiki is a divine karmic "activity" and will surely build good karma,repay our Karmic debts ,and store a good Karmic balance for us to use. At this point may I introduce a different thought...why be so afraid of "reaping the fruits of bad Karma"? When we go through " bad" times ,we still have the Self within ,whose attributes like Peace and Love we tap into while doing Reiki....So even in such times the Love and Peace is AVAILABLE to us by Reiki practices.

Yes the Divine energy also very truly has the power to negate our negative Karmas......but which ones are to be "burned" and which the person needs to experience for their own growth and learning is NOT in our hands.

Love...Sharat.

re: A reply to you Helen.

posted at 10/27/2000 12:48 PM
ID# 1506
This is a reply to: 1501

Sharat,

namaste,

VEry good answer, and as you told me, does answer my question regarding karma....

Love and Light Priestess

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/27/2000 1:17 PM
ID# 1508
This is a reply to: 1478
helen,

namaste.

Who knows.

But, I would say probably not - but would be an excellent start.

:-}}

- Not enough time in one life to clear away everything from all previous lives - as I am taught.

The slate will never be clean - just resolved.

I hope the New Age is not the Age of New Illusions of Shortcuts.

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/27/2000 8:59 PM
ID# 1511
This is a reply to: 1508
Firekeeper,

namaste

Can we ever be sure that the shortcuts are illusions?

And can we be sure that life is not an illusion?

Perhaps we are living the grand illusion...

Love and Light, Priestess

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 11:41 AM
ID# 1526
This is a reply to: 1511
Priestess,

namaste.

Of course we can obsess over what is illusion and what is not Illusion - ad infinitum. :-}}

-comes a time we must be certain for ourselves.

-the laws of Karma (and of course reincarnation), as I understand them at this point in my evolution to enlightenment (as limited as that may be), suggest that there are, for all practical purposes, no shortcuts.

-wishfull thinking not withstanding.

A few of the traditional Jataka stories suggest that sacrificing one's life for the welfare of one's "kind"
may be the fast track to Enlightenment via this supreme Compassionate Act.

But no guarrantees.

:-}}}

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 12:04 PM
ID# 1534
This is a reply to: 1526
Firekeeper,

Namaste, sugar,

NO Guarantees? That could just be the biggest last illusion!!!!!!! :o}

Priestess

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 12:08 PM
ID# 1535
This is a reply to: 1534
priestess,

namaste.

:-}}

Enlightenment is guarranteed to all (sometime) - but no short cuts.

bagl.

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 12:11 PM
ID# 1536
This is a reply to: 1535
Firekeeper,

Is that a guarantee?

Priestess

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 12:35 PM
ID# 1545
This is a reply to: 1536
priestess,

namaste.

I am only able to offer and accept that guarrantee for myself.

:-}}

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

re: Destiny,s Children are we Helen!!!

posted at 10/28/2000 2:10 PM
ID# 1560
This is a reply to: 1545
Firekeeper,

Before I start changing a thing or two around, I want a guarantee!! Otherwise I am sticking to the same path..

When do you think you will know?

I'll wait.

Priestess