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It appears to me based on my findings at this time that William Rand is in the process of rewriting Reiki History to suggest that he is the founderof Reiki, that he has brought Reiki to the West with the full endorsement of Hawayo Takata. That is my personal opinion based on the text in the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION CASE NO. 95-CV-71628 (Plaintiff WILLIAM RAND vs. KATHLEEN MILNER, DEFENDANT).

Case 2:95:-cv-71628-PDB Document 28 Filed 01/31/2008 (9 pages) awards William Rand the sum of $60,000 plus all legal fees to be paid for by Kathleen Milner. My personal interpretation of the text within this document and the original and subsequent filings suggest that William Rand is the Western source of Reiki.

I want and need to know the authentic Reiki lineage of William Rand.

Who attuned him and when?

Honor within family is a very important trait present within the Japanese culture. Given the way William Rand has promoted Phyllis Lei Furumoto, I want to know if Hawayo Takata would endorse and authorize his actions?

I want to discover the truth.

stephen,

Hi,

I know nothing of the case except it is an olde one and has to do with the fact that both taught similar symbols but with different meanings and there was dispute over authenticity. IO also know that apeals are almost certain in any civil case of this sort so perhaps this judgement is not a fianl one. I do not know. As for Rand's lineage? I have no idea andf really no interest except if his claims are exaggerated. Does his website or do any of his books, etc state from whom he received his Reiki training and by whom he was attuned? I cannot imagine that he could make any legal claims to being the instigator of Reiki in the West, or whatever, unless he were to provide that information.

But, in general, I have little more than passing interest in who brought what to the West. What every claimant seems to have done in one way or another is to have Westernized (which to some extent = christianized) the teaching and hence the practice of Reiki.

Bronx Cheers to all who attempt to feed their egos through Reiki and in so doing sell it like any other commodity.

RC

Yes, his books and website displays his lineage but from my perspective, it's being told by him.

Before I continue I should point out that it is only an opinion that I have stated based on the text in the respective documents. I am not making any formal, legal statement but rather providing an opinion based on a limited amount of information. Since it is an opinion, it has the potential to change.

History is always a precarious thing. It's always told from the "winners" point of view, usually making the loser out to be the loser for very good reasons. When historians read history as written by the losing side, oftentimes a different story is given. That fascinates me to no end.

stepehn,

Hi,

Losers write history as well. The difference I see is that fewer people probably read the losers' version of events. LOL From what I can tell it appears Ms. Milner may have gotten a little big for her britches or at least too public in her "differences" with Rand; hence his lawsuit against her. Well, I think I'll have a gander at the weather channel. Much more relevant.

Additional parting Bronx cheers to those I mentioned in my previous post.

:)

RC

Could you provide a link on the resources board or send a PM to me that indicates where to find the court's opinion? I can't find it on Westlaw, and it's not showing up when I search the website for the federal Eastern District of Michigan.

Thanks.

Bruce

stephenbuck415 said on

>It appears to me based on my findings at this time that William Rand is in the process of rewriting Reiki History to suggest that he is the founderof Reiki, that he has brought Reiki to the West with the full endorsement of Hawayo Takata. That is my personal opinion based on the text in the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION CASE NO. 95-CV-71628 (Plaintiff WILLIAM RAND vs. KATHLEEN MILNER, DEFENDANT).
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>Case 2:95:-cv-71628-PDB Document 28 Filed 01/31/2008 (9 pages) awards William Rand the sum of $60,000 plus all legal fees to be paid for by Kathleen Milner. My personal interpretation of the text within this document and the original and subsequent filings suggest that William Rand is the Western source of Reiki.
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>I want and need to know the authentic Reiki lineage of William Rand.
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>Who attuned him and when?
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>Honor within family is a very important trait present within the Japanese culture. Given the way William Rand has promoted Phyllis Lei Furumoto, I want to know if Hawayo Takata would endorse and authorize his actions?
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>I want to discover the truth.

William Rand's first level III attunement in 1989 came from Diane McCumber who got her training from Arthur Robertson.

His second level III attunement came from Cherie Presuhn who got her training from Pat Jack.

His third came from Leah Smith who was trained by Carol Farmer (which may be where the dislike for Phyllis came from)

His Reiki I and II in 1981 and 1982 came from Bethel Phaigh.

Pat and Carol were both trained by Phyllis F. and Arthur by Iris Ishikura, Phyllis and Iris were both trained by Ms. Takata.

I got this information from The Intnl Center for Reiki Training a few years back.

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

diosa,

Hi,

I suppose for some that makes it all better (or not). LOL.

Cheers,

RC

I really have no idea, or interest.

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

Hi Bruce. I'm working on that.

I was unable to locate the documents online, which is quite annoying in this day of electronic documentation.

I need to research the legalities involved in my reproducing the documents electronically before I do so. If it is legal I will scan the documents and make them available to the public.
I will only do this if it is legal.

First thought huge ego and secondly discomfort that any *living* person would feel the right to claim anything Reiki (symbols, meaning etc) over someone else.

To me, to stake a claim over anything reiki related is like trying to claim daylight in your house as your own and sealing your windows and doors to keep it in. Then selling jars of it to passers by - "higher quality daylight here!"

Bloomin' goofy!

Sky

Anyone want a jar of daylight? lol

Otoharo!

I agree with this!

finality

stephenbuck

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- someone once observed that there really is no such thing as bad publicity

- even notoriety may, at times, work to one's advantage

- one of the least harmful ways to not encourage self-promotion is to ignore the 'promotors' (unless those promoting themselves or their products, etc are doing harm)

- as this fellow once noted: "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers."

--Charles Péguy (1873-1914)

- whatever the "truth" might be

bagl

- often difficult to get past individual perceptions

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Thank each and every one of you for your words....I've needed them. When I first learned of this.....I was so disappointed....that someone would sue another concerning Reiki! I emailed William and asked him to tell me that it "was not true".....that he was not sue-ing someone concerning Reiki. He said, "I would never sue anyone concerning Reiki". I realized that I had left out "Karuna". I asked, "So, you're not sue-ing Kathleen Milner?" He didn't answer my question, but he did want to know all of my sources. I sent back, "I'm sorry, you didn't answer my question and I don't desire to get anyone in trouble"......(translation) .....sued! I've been praying about it and calmed down a bit. Nothing like an old fool, huh.....

stephenbuck415 said on

>Hi Bruce. I'm working on that.
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>I was unable to locate the documents online, which is quite annoying in this day of electronic documentation.
>
>I need to research the legalities involved in my reproducing the documents electronically before I do so. If it is legal I will scan the documents and make them available to the public.
>I will only do this if it is legal.

Thanks. An opinion and order of the court should already be a matter of public record, so I don't anticipate there would be any problem with electronic reproduction of it.

Bruce

Uhhh... at the risk of exposing my ignorance, but what does Noah's Bagels have to do with any of this (BAGL - trading at $12.61 the time I looked on Google Finance)?

Sky,you struck the nail right on the head I felt a big shift, you words are true and direct, I like that, bless you.

Namaste LED

buck,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

bagl??? nothing to do with yeast on the brain (or lox or cream cheese)

- bagl = bust a gut laughing

>:-}}}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

NEW DEVELOPMENTS

Some interesting new developments were just brought to my attention in my quest to research modern Reiki history.

For reasons I do not know at this time, William Rand did not have to pay $60,000 to Kathleen Milner. I do not have documentation that supports this but have good reason to believe it's true.

Additionally, the new feedback I have been given suggests that they may not discuss the original case but may discuss the current case.

So with that in mind, anyone I have brought up for discussion may join in this discussion and add a completely new dimension (perhaps a more correct one) to the entire situation at hand.

If I have brought up any element for discussion that is factually incorrect, I need to know.

Buck

It was my understanding that william rand according to his reiki book was attuned by several different reiki master. My lineage states Dr. Mikao Usui, Churjiro Hayashi, Hawayo Takata, Phillis Fumumot, Carol Farmer, Leah Smith Then William Lee Rand, listed under these names.
Common sence would be that William Lee Rand was not the only one attuned by these master in the western world.
How can anyone say that they started reiki in the western world? Who would know for sure?
Be my guess he just wants to make some money off of it. Appears he is putting his name on alot of reiki things and from what I hear the people that have paid him to learn Reiki are required to pay again to be listed in his school as Masters. Not to mention to take the class again. These are Masters he attuned before he started his degree program and Trained to teach. Which means me and anyone being under his name in lineage don't amount to crap at his school. Unless I am taught at his school and take a degree program. Alot of hard feelings there from what I hear.
Also sounds like he is trying to claim the fame of Reiki and take credit for it.
To my way of thinking Reiki is individual to everybody and no masters are the same in all rights. So who is to say that his way is right when it comes right down to it? There are probably better reiki master them him around. Who knows for sure.
Just my opinion!

Thank you, sky, for your words of wisdom. What is the point? The past is the past. Lets all be gratefull for the wonderful, life changing gift that we have been given, and live for the now. Life is too short to worry about the past. Thanks all for your input. Love and light.

and ill take 2 jars of your best sunlight. thanks sky

Very good words, lizardking. Thank you.

lizardking said on

>What is the point? The past is the past.

On the other hand, as they say, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Bruce

Thanks LizardKing you gave me a real laugh, on a day I really needed one. (see healing request thread.)

Today sunlight is on special 3 jars for the price of 2! The cost is a smile and laugh.

Thanks for paying in advance.

Sky

thank you, ponderings, for always being so thankfull. :-)