The Reiki Cafe 

Hello,
I was looking at a Post of Helens in the Reiki Cafe and a question came up into my mind.. As you all know, I am
not a strong believer of having to gain permission before we send our highest love.
She said and I'm not quoting here.... I was Willing the pain in my husbands back to go away and cured him of
his irritable bowel syndrome.. Hmmmmm
what does this mean in regards to what "She Wanted" as the healer and what "His highest Self" wanted?
If she has the power to "Take" away pain without permission or when someone is simply not ready, why didn't
the pain fly away? She sounds like she was sure working hard enough.. Why wasn't his back pain cured
completely?? What did Helen Do Wrong? I'd say nothing..
*Smiles*
He is obviously not ready to remove the veil of fear from himself, but he was ready to reduced the pain. He
trusted Helen enough to give him this relief from pain.. In regards to his back, I"d say he is slowly healing on the
level best for his back and in time, this will heal because he is finding it easier to look at the issues in his life
given his frame of mind in the now.

Maybe, his Highest self "knew" exactly what he truly was ready to release. As above, so below.....
I have given healings on people who have relief from pain, but they are not cured? Why not...? Why wasn't "My"
will enough to cure them if I can take something away that on the highest level; isn't ready to be released??
Perhaps because this isn't the intention at all.. Perhaps they at the soul level, allow us as assistees to simply
provide support (and this is Plenty enough in my mind) until such time the person IS ready to heal completely..
Perhaps they never will be. And this is ok too...
Are we failing simply because we do not "Cure" or is relieving some of the pain enough? I feel that any relief
from stress and pain is always enough..
Of course I'd love to see the person remove the veils of illusion that brought them the pain.. But its more
important to start small first and build our way up to the things we can more readily handle within our hearts and
begin to learn to Trust and Feel..
So many of us have become numb to life, it makes it difficult sometimes to be able to feel without fear...In so
many of our lives, we have been hurt and abused, it is sometimes hard to come into the light with the Trust it
takes to know that Healing is Ever present as is the Creator..
So we support with Love until they are ready..
In my heart, this rings true...
I don't feel we have the capability of healing anyone of anything they are not completely ready to transmute into
light...
I looked at Helens post and thought.. Wow, thank You once again lady..
When the Ego gets me and I start feeling guilt.. I look Up to the Creator for help. :))))
And the help today was in the form of a beloved angel named Helen....

Love you Helen......

Loving You all,
Rev. Susie Pharis

susan,

namaste.

Are we sure that Helen was working without Permission?

Has anyone asked her?

Does not the Higher Self go on foot rather than on a high horse?

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

Greetings Susan and all
you had written:
"... Hmmmmm what does this mean in regards to what "She Wanted" as the healer and what "His highest Self" wanted?"

Why complicate this so?

Is it not enough to simply be reiki and do what you do, now in this moment? All this talk of ok to send, not ok, lower selves, higher selves, who heals whom, seems to dizzy one so. I have wandered the paths of intellectualism and mental masturbation and when I have do so, found myself far far from the moment, from from what is, and in some land where I was trying to impose my belief ridden personal truth reality on the intimate beautiful reality of *what is*.

When we talk of "higher selves", it necessitates by inference that there be a "lower self". It might seem that when we believe in this duality of "higher" and "lower" selves that we foster an illusion of something that can be conceptualized as seperate and distinct from ourselves or the other person. That which we are, the essence of who we are is right now, is in this immediate moment, and is not seperate. There is no "higher self" in the other person, seperate from who they are and what they are right now in this present moment.

Ideas and beliefs of lower and high selves, like all beliefs that we cling to, arise in awareness and fall away in awareness. Look at who it is that believes in higher selves and see who you are..... it is not seperate, not higher, not lower, just what you are, in the intimate what is, in awareness right in this present moment.

My suggestion for those out there, tying themselves up in intellectual knots trying to fathom lower and higher selves and all that it entails, would be to simply *be* reiki. Be mindful, be aware, just DO reiki. The right and wrong of any of this, is based on the beliefs we cling to. Just be open, and do what you do, mindful, and be reiki, free of the concepts, accoutrements, beliefs, techniques and suddenly none of this will matter at all.

Be happy, be at peace;

Vinny

Hi gang,
I am afraid that in my usual way I have skipped through the posts because I am always on a time limit. So forgive me if I miss the point! (Literally).
I have often thought about Reiki permission and wonder why it is when I am working that Reiki kicks in whether or not I get permission. When massaging some clients I rarely ask for permission from their higher selves to give Reiki. However, by about 10 - 15 minutes into the treatment I recognise the pulsing of the energy through my hands. Clients very often comment on the heat emanating from my hands and then I usually end up doing a silent apologetic type request to the Reiki guides and Beings of Light etc. I reckon our Higher Selves are well aware of what is needed and take/give it regardless of our conscious selves. I have faith that because it is Pure Love that it happens when it is needed. Perhaps I am being a bit naive/purist. The other thought is that it comes unrequested and then how do you stop it?
Love light and buzzy hands
Sally xxx

Sally,

Namaste

Does not the client have a right to know what we are doing?

Of course some just say "do whatever" - fine. :-} xtreme clients. :-}}

But, on the whole are we saying reiki is a secret? By not asking for permission?

and - What is it that makes openness about reiki such an issue?

:-}}

turn off reiki?

I just throw the switch and it is off. :-}}

Reiki all around,

all blesisngs,

firekeeper

Hi Sally,

Namaste,

I think that as you become more proficient and an 'old hand' at Reiki you have more control. It will seldom if ever, just flow without prior intent. The fact that you know that it can, says you need to practice more. :-)

I do think that if you should simply ask your clients if you may also give them reiki while the massage is progressing, almost everyone will say 'yes!' In fact, I have yet to meet anyone who says no to reiki during reflexology. In fact, they often tell me to give them more!!

But let us say that YOU went for a massage from someone. Then after the massage, you got to talking a bit, and were informed that "oh, by the way, I didn't think you would mind, but I put holy water in the massage cream, and baptised you into my religion." or they put 'ecstacy' (sp) into the water you drank afterward without telling you. If someone breaks into your home, and uses your things, and takes what they want, dont' you think you would feel violated. Do you think entering someone's body or energy field without their conscious approval is not the same thing as breaking into their home? Isn't this the same type of thing that we condem others for when they do it to us? Wouldn't you feel violated?

I am talking here only about the normal every-day, relationships where someone is able to ask and receive. This is what most of us encounter. Think about it as if it were being done to yourself first.

One of the first things about energy is that you do not harm anyone. Who is to say that you are aware of that person's path to make the decision for him/her. YOU are not God to make that choice.

I hope this gives you something to think about....
In love and light... Priestess

That makes it sound like Reiki is a bad thing. When you stub your toe and shout, "Oh F*#K!!" and grab your foot and instinctively send Reiki to your foot, you don't stop and say, "Should I really grab my foot? What if it makes it hurt more?" No! You do it because it helps, your body knows it, it works! When you Reiki someone WITH permission, your intentions are good aren't they? How often is Reiki practiced with negative intentions? I wouldn't think ever, but if I'm wrong, correct me. However, if someone sees a friend in pain, what's the harm in simply sending what they can in the moment? Kind of like handing someone a cough drop when they're coughing, you don't need permission. They don't have to accept the healing anyway if they really don't want it.
Also, you're not converting anyone into a different religion or poisoning them, you're helping them in a way that they already do themselves.
I don't think sending healing energy would disturb a person's path, but in fact help them no matter WHAT their path is. Reiki is used for healing on all levels, isn't it? I fail to see what's negative about it, especially if you're using it on friends (or clients) with good intentions.

Hi Malohkan,

NO, reiki is NOT a bad thing. I was simply using an example that you are probably taking offence to.

If you offer someone a cough drop, they have a CHOICE about putting it in their mouth.

If you decide that you know BEST about someone's path, more than they do, you are taking that choice away.

It may be that they are not ready to heal, and you thereby are interferring.

It is their choice about healing or not. Just as it is YOUR choice to heal or not at this time.
I was simply making a point about whether or not you don't give them their choice. Even a small child will get a choice about a red lollipop or a green one. It is about whether you are going to take control of that person's life, or let them make a choice. AND if you make this choice for them, are you going to jump in and make other choices as well. Is your life so perfect that YOU know ALL the answers to your own life? Are you always happy/peaceful/healthy/painfree/in good relationships?Therefore you can know ALL the answers for the other person as well? When you know ALL, then you can choose all for others, until then, I think not.

Just as if someone said to you, I am going to take away all of your rights to use reiki for the future. (not that anyone would) Would YOU like someone making that choice for you? I don't think so.

Love and Light, Priestess

Hi Guys
my only thought originally (which as usual i am not so adept at showing clearly) was that the Higher Parts of us - our Higher Selves - perhaps know what we need or want more than our Consciousness and so maybe we should leave it up to them to accept or decline. You are so right though Priestess, I am very new to this and therefore pretty inexperienced, short sighted and a bit "new". I am forever open to other's exprience and knowledge. My sister once lent me a book and it had a quote in it which said something along the lines of; " I will learn from
somebody elses experiences because I don't have the time to learn from my own". How true! Thank you
It also strikes an excellent chord about permission. I have to admit to still feeling a little embarrassed about asking permission outright for fear of seeming a bit odball/way out/new age. Vanity is a terrible sin!
love and light
Sally xx

Preistess,
Slow down...take a deep breath...I don't think Malohkan thinks she knows all. Just her opinion. As you know, the world of Reiki is full of different experiences and opinions. I think some people put the Reiki out there to be accepted or not, whatever is the highest good for the person intended. Not saying it is right, not saying it is wrong, not saying that is what I do. Just saying different strokes for different folks. I myself have not yet heard a horror story resulting in Reiki being sent without permission. If you have, share it with us.
Bonnie

malohkan,

namaste,

you wrote:

" you're not converting anyone into a different religion or poisoning them, you're helping them in a way that they already do themselves.
I don't think sending healing energy would disturb a person's path"

Consider this:
That is the way you feel about it. It may not be the way they feel about it. Not everyone believes that what we are doing is 'good' or 'right' or 'from God' . Some very good and well meaning people I know are frightened by what I do and I would not presume to send to them because it would violate their beliefs. It isn't for me to make the decision that I know what is best for them or that it is something that they would do for themselves.

Preistess had a good point in another posting she made on another subject when she said:

"I suggest that when a man says that he does not want to be in a relationship, you listen to the words. his actions may say he wants to be intimate, but his words did say differently.
He will heal when HE is ready. You cannot 'fix' him. Trying is co-dependant behaviour,"

When someone says they don't want us to send or refuse hands on work then we need to respect that. We also need to give them the opportunity to make that decision for themselves. We have to learn to respect other peoples bounderies and have healthy ones ourselves.
We can't say 'well, they said no but I can see in their eyes that they are in pain and they want this' or 'I will ask their higher self'. These are self-serving behaviors which make assumptions and assumptions are generally far from the facts.

I understand that this is an issue that will probably never go away but there is precious little flesh left on this horse and he is never going to get up and run again. :-)

Walk in beauty
Rebecca

Sally,

Please know that you are not the only person reluctant to expose yourself to possible ridicule as "oddball/way out/new age"....the more experienced you become (the more you Reiki yourself & others) the more confident you become, and you will find the right words to ask permission in a way that is not kooky or strange to others...give yourself time to ease into this,Sally...becoming Reiki is a process involving a great deal of inner growth and change. And I do not believe your embarrassment is vanity or a sin...its just a bit of shyness & insecurity that will be overcome with time....HUGS & SMILES to you !!! Hang in there....
Namaste !

peace & love, holobon

Bonnie,

Namaste,

Certainly not out of breath. But thank you for being concerned.

Frankly, I think Diosa is right. There is little meat left on this horse. Or the turkey for that matter...

Love and light, Priestess

Hi Sally,

Namaste, Sugar,

I don't think that you need to think you are being sinful, or vain. Holobon says it well. When you are more sure of yourself, you will not feel so shy about offering Reiki to someone. Right now it is simply fear of ridicule from others who are unaware, or unenlightened, or whatever.

I think that is something in all of us that we do not want to have to defend what we are, or believe in. Many of us have had lifetimes when we did just that and were persecuted for it, so the reluctance to bring it up, may be one of the lessons that we have to overcome in this lifetime....

One lesson that I learned early on is to not attach my ego to the offer of reiki. On occasion I have offered it free of charge to someone that I knew could not afford it. BUT because I knew it could help, felt that I should offer. My guides were explicit in letting me know that this was about healing only. It is not about ME doing the healing. So when the offer is accepted, the reiki is given with love. When turned down, the refusal is accepted with love.
My feelings are not on the line in any way. If the person should think that I am peculiar, well, it is not so bad to stand out from the 'regular' croud!!

I would hope that the discussion on the board has given some of the new people something to think about. If we want others to have ethics and be honest in dealing with us, then we ourselves must practice being ethical and honest.

You are on a wonderful path, Sally and Malokan. It is unique in its own way, that you will not find in many other places. It is so unique that it is almost unbelieveable to outsiders who have never tried it. And Malokan, I agree with the others that say that if you have not yet had your attunement, then you should. You will someday be a very talented healer. We look forward to you joining us. :o))

Love and Light, Priestess

Dearest Rebecca and Priestess
Namaste
You are so right about Co-dependancy. Thank you for pointing this out. Personally I am becoming aware of my own co-dependancy, but like many other things thatwe need to change, others can see these things better than we can ourselves. Lots of lessons to be learned here. (Including boundaries). No doubt you know where I am Rebecca, I think we may have touched on this in the past on the old Reiki Cafe some time ago.
Thank goodness for the bigger picture!
Love light and smiles
Sally xxx

Hi Guys :))

Well Ive sat back, listened, digested and tried to come to a descision as I always do when we get on to the "permission" topic..hmmmm

One thing has been niggling me in the back of my mind.....I was taught and believe that we are only channels for reiki and how much reiki flows is not our decision that the person we are treating draws reiki through us...we are not pushing it out....So it occurs to me that sally's clients are requesting/ drawing reiki on some level..

Since I have been reiki..children seem to be drawn to me for example I was on a local bus in another very poor country and the guy who was working on the bus had his little girl with him age maybe 2/3...the bus was packed full and the locals on the bus kept calling the little girl who was trotting up and down the aisle following her dad..people who were not calling her smiled as she was very beautifull. She ignored everyone..I was on the back seat and she left her dad and came up to me and put one hand on each of my knees...we smiled at each other and reiki began to flow...

Now as for permission I should of taken her hands off me and asked he father if it was okay?? I do not speak arabic..so even if I wanted to I could not of asked..I think the little girl asked in the only way she could..

As many children seem too...I think sending distance to people is different as they have not approached us..but if someone is in physical contact with me through their own free will and reiki begins to flow..they are drawing it through me and i am very comfortable with that..and they are welcome to take as much or as little as they wish..I wont try and block it

L&L
Sky

>>"I myself have not yet heard a horror story resulting in Reiki being sent without permission. If you have, share it with us.
Bonnie ">>

Namaste all

I would like to share this little story with you

When doing Reiki II my RM told us about her friend who
sent reiki to her aunt each night for months, without telling her.
Her aunt would wake up every night, feeling very hot. She got worried, but her doctor said it was only the menopause and gave her pills.

This isn't a horror story, but taking pills for reiki is a bit unnecessary don't you think?

The friend felt really bad when she found out. The good thing is that anyone who's told this story gets a chance to learn from it.

If you would send or unitentionally/"automatically" give reiki to someone in the same room as yourself, at least you're there to see if the recipient would get any physical reaction, and you do have the oppportunity to offer an explanation if so.

But sending to someone far away from you, without telling or even explaining about reiki beforehand seems irresponible to me. What if the recipient would fall asleep as you send? And he or she would be driving a car at the time. Even if you think he or she would be aleep at that time, you don't know if you don't ask, do you?

I believe reiki is good for almost everything, but not that it takes care of everything or protects us frome unexpecrted consequences. It does not free us from responsiblity for our own actions.

Dreamlight

Namaste Sky
I think you are right, whenever clients have 'drawn' Reiki from me, the feeling I have is of Reiki being drawn through me from the Universe, and also of someone/something else being there at the same time. Kind of like the Creator acknowledging what is happening. The fact that I become aware of it rather than summoning it makes me feel that it is being requested from the person themselves.
Maybe though, in these situations I should explain to the client what it happening as I become aware and let them carry on accepting or otherwise.
I loved your story about the little girl. Children are heavenly in more ways than one!
Love and light
Sallyxx

Dear Vinny,

You wonder why all the mental masturbation? This is a board to ask questions on and
until I find the answers I seek, I continue to hope that i"ll get compassionate answers to
what I feel are legitimate questions about things I find of great importance to my life.
Once I hear the answers that ring true within my heart, perhaps I'll stop feeling the need to
ask. Maybe today, you will provide those answers Vinny.
I like to think when I am in a meditative state or doing any type of holistic work, I"m am
"being" as much as I can be.
I'm not in such a state at this time, I'm on the Reiki One board, being very aware of where
I am at the moment.. :) Being Mindful as you would say.

you had written:
"... Hmmmmm what does this mean in regards to what "She Wanted" as the healer and
what "His highest Self" wanted?"

Why complicate this so?
It is not complicated, I asked a simple question. If we can go against someones will in
healing and Take that which is Not given willingly, how is it she healed his other issue
and not his back that she had such Focused intent upon? That was my question and I
think it is a legitimate question to ask considering I don't believe we can Take anything
away that is not willingly given. Obviously, somewhere this was His Intent.

In regards to the higherself and lowerself.
I personally don't mention a lowerself, simply our normal conscious selves and our
Higherselves.
We can access our higherselves at any given time, but we haven't been shown how to do
this. Simply quieting our minds we can receive guidance on anything we want to know. If
we did this all the time, we would be in direct contact, but not many use this type of
guidance to live our lives.
Many of us turn away from ourselves alot in life and tend to shy away from our best
interest that our higherselves may guide us in because we refuse to listen. Or just plain
don't wanna.. We want what we want, when we want it, and it is not necessarily what is
best.
Thats because of course were generally working in our ego selves.
Yes, I realize we are not separate from the ego. But we listen to this voice because we
believe certain things about ourselves that in general just aren't true. ego is fear...
Someone said on the board recently that their ego says they can, and will and do..
That is not the ego, that is THE HigherSelf speaking.. Divine Guidance.
Anything that is Love is the True self, higherself, Godshead. What ever part of yourself
that isnt ego.

Anyway, I am asking these questions because I believe that they need to be looked at.
We cannot simply go blindly into the night because someone told us to. This is not the
nature of man/woman.
At least it is not Me. I like to think I can discover My own truth before I just accept
someone else's idea of what my truth truly is.
If it doesn't ring true, then the search must continue...
I want to know that what i"m doing is correct to my highest understanding. I want to know
that what I do is My Highest Truth. No holds barred out of fear of being ridiculed. Not just
a version of truth.

I'ts taken alot of faith for me, to come to this board and speak my highest truths. Not
many agree with me, and perhaps that is the way it will always be. Maybe these postings
are just ways to strengthen myself for something even more exhiliratingly wonderful to
learn about myself and the world I live in.
In my mind there are no limitations called Reiki. There are no walls or barriers.. The sky
is the limit. I just hope that no matter what, I can remain true to myself and enjoy the
freedom that I long for, the freedom that is almost within reach, the freedom that has
been mine all along.

Loving You
RSP

Dreamlight,
Thanks for sharing that story. Gives us a good idea why letting someone know what you are doing is so important sometimes.
Bonnie

Diosa,
Hee...the horse thing...funny. I agree about not "pushing" Reiki on anyone. I admit when I first started I would be so disappointed when someone didn't want to try for one reason or another and I would try to convince them it was such a good thing. That was a long time ago. Now I just offer and if they are not interested I move on. I stopped putting so much time and worry into other peoples aches, illnesses and troubles. I just let them know if they ever change their mind, let me know. I have to say a couple eventually looked me up and it seems Reik sometimes is on the bottom of the list of things to try...you know...a last resort, but hey...better late than never, huh?
Bonnie

Sky,
Your story brings up something I thought of yesterday. I also do Shiatsu massage. When I took Reiki I, our RM told us "whenever you touch someone, Reiki will flow, if needed." I at that moment thought "how beautiful" that was. Anyway, the massages I did following that first attunement definitely seemed to be affecting my clients differently. I was not yet comfortable giving full Reiki treatments, and not mentioning to anyone because I was so new and just learning. I was just working on myself and paying attention to my 21 days. But my clients were commenting afterward how deep they went, how great that was, etc., while I noticed they were so much more relaxed than before. I just thought to myself "wow, it's true...Reiki just flows." Anyway...this I guess doesn't really help this discussion come to any real conclusions, because here we go again...the person did not ask for Reiki, I did not inted to give them Reiki, but it "seemed" Reiki decided to flow...or is it the client decided to take it in...
The mystery continues...(smile)
Bonnie

Rebecca, All,

Namaste.

Do actions speak louder than words? - or Do words speak louder than actions?

:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

susan,

Namaste.

:-}}

Would it make a difference if we said Intent instead of Will?

reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper

Sally,

namaste,

I do remember. I'm glad that you are healing and moving on. Others do sometimes see the things in us that need attention more clearly than we do, even when we are looking for them. Sometimes they are projecting the things in themselves that need attended to onto us. Thank goodness for the bigger picture! :-)

hugs
Walk in beauty
Rebecca