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Namaste All.

My husband and I were having a conversation tonight about whether or not a person can become 'possessed' or not, by an evil entity wishing to wreak havoc. We also discussed schizophrenia and the possibility of whether this could be an example of 'possession'. There has been a case in the news recently, where a man killed his mother and claimed to be possessed, which is why we were discussing it.

Has anyone any thoughts on this?

Many thanks
Love and Light
Helen.

Helen,
Of course it is possible under certain conditions. There has to be an 'allowing' by the person being possessed, however. It is not just a random thing. The person may have brought it with him from another lifetime, or had the inclination in some manner in this one. Usually if it happens in this lifetime, it is due to drug use by the person (or parent). (other things can cause, too)
This much info should give you some dinner conversation!! :-))

Many thanks Priestess,

I will 'chew' this over with hubby tonight :)))

Love and Light
Helen.

Helen,

Historically, possession was sometimes confused with some sort of psychotic behavior where the stimulus might have been a toxin, anaphalactic reaction, hallucinogen induced state, witchcraft etc.

True possession is probably fairly uncommon. Toxins and drugs wear off, a 'possessing' entity not necessarily. Or if it is a mental state due to viral infection of the brain, some damage may be permanent.

However, to acquire soul fragments from others or to have them stolen from us is another matter.

Hope this helps.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Helen,
I would only argue with Firekeeper on one point, and that is that I believe that drugs have their own energy. Some of them so powerful that when the drug itself wears off, the energy remains. Sometimes forever. I think that is also possession. I definately see it as an entity. But as I stated before, it has to be allowed into the energy/physical field of the person to be there. It can be removed. But it cannot be played with. Love, Light and Truth. Priestess

Priestess,

Namaste.

An interesting point.

I am not yet ready to attribute 'entity' status to all forms of energy.

Possession is really about entities, in my estimation. What we 'call' possession based on behavior may be another matter altogether.

To harbour some upsetting 'energy' is another matter to some extent - and the extraction or clearing procedures might be quite different by necessity than in a 'possession.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,
I agree that not all forms of energy are entities.

Possession IS about entities.

The vision I have been seeing for the last couple of years, is the 'drugs' are a large, dark entity, and in some places, particulary, you can see it hovering over as a cloud. I 'see' parts of that energy on people, and recognize it as 'part' of the whole. I believe that this entity uses the drugs as a way of entrance to the person. Once there, it uses and attaches to the disfunction of the person and makes it larger, thereby causing chaos, and a downward spiral.

I do 'see' an entity. Actually, in some cases, I see 'entities' as in 'fleas' all over, and in a person, and consider this a possession. If I talk to a person where there are multiples, I soon find that there are multiple problems in that life, starting with childhood and progressing to what amounts to a life of misery. Not only for themselves, but also the people around them.

Priestess,

Namaste.

I guess we have somewhat differing inclusions for what is "possession".

The entities you describe as 'on' people, I refer to as 'companions' - not necessarily using that term in the usual 'positive' sense.

Companions have influence and can attract the positive or negative, but do not have the direct force of an entity that is of sufficient power to literally direct whole portions of someone's behavior and life.

Although I suppose a 'host' of such nasty companions would be more than just formidable.

Drug use, once it begins has its own physiological 'demons', so to speak, that we must deal with apart from 'entities' that might influence' one into that path (born addicted perhaps the exception).

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,
"Companions"? That is a very nice word. Hummmmmmmm...I will think about that. Just for a minute or two.

Obviously not in a 'positive' way. I feel that it means the same thing, almost. If you have all these little gremlins, 'companions', entities, or what have you going everyplace you go, affecting your life and your relationships, and if they can be 'removed' by a knowledgeable person, is this not the same thing as possession? Certainly not by the BIG GUY, but his minions non-the-less. They certainly have a fit about vacating when asked. (or told to)..

Drugs have their physiological demons, granted. But they also ARE demons as well. As easily part of the whole, as our angels and guides and our souls are part of a different, opposite whole. Whether the drug use IS the demon, or whether it opens the aura to admit demons, is to me the same. Where there is drug use, I see them dancing around, believing that they are invisible. And usually they are, because unless I request to see, my request to NOT see them stands when I am in large groups. I prefer not to see them when there is nothing I can do about it.

I don't think it is so much the physiological addiction at the beginning that is so harmful, as is the 'hooks' that are implanted, and the demons that do their job of creating the chaos so well. After some time, the physical 'need' for more drugs is there, because the energy field has been depleated so drastically.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it!!!!!! ;-)))))

PS: anyone else want to jump in here? I'd like to have your opinion, too. PLEASE!!!!

Love and light, Priestess

Priestess,

Namaste.

To attribute 'demon-ness' to all aspects of drug additction, including the physiological repercussion, to me, tends to remove a good deal of personal responsibility from the addict or user for their own life and condition.

A 'shaman' might well do an extraction but this will not care for the physiological dependence - that, bottom line is the individual's responsibility to beat.

Whatever other energy work will help - cool.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,

Namaste,

No, an extraction will not handle the physiological problems brought on by an addiction. I did not mean that there is not some personal responsibility, as in any addiction, the habit of using a crutch to handle discomfort must be dealt with by the person. We are in a society that wants a pill for every single pain. Unfortunately, there usually is a pill, but it carries its consequences. Eventually there is a pile of problems instead of just one or two.

As with smoking or alcoholism, there is also the 'traffic pattern in the carpeting' to deal with. It can be made lighter with an extraction, (I like that word, you're good!) but afterward, there is more awareness instead of blind reaching for the crutch. Also if a person slips, falls off the wagon, the next 'extraction' can be much more difficult.... those that want instant healing are in for disappointment, there is usually a LOT of pain to work thru.
Love and Wisdom, Happy 4th! Priestess

Priestess,

Namaste.

Most kind.

Yes, under 'normal' conditions an extraction procedure may very well take care of the matter. But with relapase in addiction, if it is entity that is contributing then either the extraction was not succesful or the person is doing little or nothing to follow practices for self cleansing and maintenance that should be provided (taught) - and entity has been given an opportunity to return or re-strengthen.

Agreed - second or third extraction attempts can be quite more tricky and difficult.

Entities are not stupid - always. Simple negative energy, on the other hand is usually much more managable.

I appreciate your pointed discussion.

- And snipe madness too. :-}}}}}

A joyous Independence Day.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Many Thanks,Firekeeper,

I know that in the bible, they thought that epilepsy was some kind of possession.

If we acquire soul fragments from another then, can this affect our personality too? We seem to change a lot as we get older, I wonder how much of this is due to wisdom and maturity and how much is due to gaining or losing soul fragments?

Namaste
Helen.

Helen,

I would not be positive on this, but I don't think another persons soul fragments can make another wiser or more mature. I am more inclined to think that reclaiming YOUR OWN soul fragments, and thereby your full life, will make you more wise and mature.
I think that gaining another's fragments, would be because you are lacking in some area of your own life, and believe that what is lacking is finite. Therefore believe you must have another's in order to continue. Wouldn't that also make you MORE fragmented?

Who is to say that epilepsy is NOT possession? Or karma?

Love and Light? Priestess

Firekeeper,
One more thing that I forgot to mention earlier, is that when I see multiples, I will see one that is larger than the rest. I don't always know why that is, unless that was the primary one who allows the others in, but it is there.

Once that one is removed, the others are easier....

Love and Light, Priestess

Helen,

Namaste.

If one acquires a soul fragment from another, not a healing goal unless it is reclaiming our own fragments, it is most often because we have 'stolen' the fragment some way - much less often are soul fragments 'relinquished' to another - very severe co-dependence might be an example where soul fragments are mistakenly 'given up'.

If one does harm to another in some manner this can cause the soul fragment to be lost by the injured party - that lost fragment may not come to us.

But as an injurer, one may lose soul fragments in the act of doing harm.

Releasing a soul fragment we may have stolen as well as reclaiming soul fragments we may have lost or were stolen, is a major part of healing to 'balance' and 'integration' or re-integration.

Hope this helps.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Priestess,

Namaste.

One of the 'entities' one may encounter is a thought form whose source is the addicted person.

The common notion is that thought forms are 'meant' for others - for healing or mal-intent.

Our own thought forms can be directed at ourselves - self-healing is an example.

And the thought forms, if chronic and powerful enough can take on the entity form and may be "seen' - and it is these entities which contribute a great deal to the persistence of the 'drug' seeking and 'need'.

Until the addict can learn that one's own thoughts can become the 'demons', relapse seems unavoidable - whatever the addiction may be - smoking, drugs, sexual addiciton, ad infinitum.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,

Of course, you are right in that area. I have seen them following some people, almost looking human themselves, but knew that they were not demons...but thought forms. I did not connect it to the larger of the demons that I see in groups as not entities themselves but possibly a thought form. That is interesting. I will keep it in mind for the future.. However, normally I am given the 'knowing' that what I am seeing is one of several options...and the truth is in the 'knowing'. Many are alike in that it is not always possible to see perfectly.

Tell me........Do you 'see', or.............? I think you must 'see' very well.......:-))))))) Love and Light,
Priestess

Hi Priestess,

Namaste,

Yes, good point.

With regards to epilepsy, I would be more inclined to go with the Karma, than the possession theory.

Love and Light
Helen.

Hello Firekeeper,

Namaste,

Many thanks for your helpful reply.

I guess the hard bit is working out who and where you have lost fragments too and who you may or may not have gained them from.

I must get round to getting the book 'soul retrieval'.

Love and Light
Helen.

Helen,

Namaste.

It is normally the task of the one doing the soul retrieval to "find" and retrieve the fragments. Often an interview is done to hear about the individuals 'major' life traumas although a presenting condition may be 'read' as a soul loss issue and treated in that manner.

As with other 'treatment' modalities, more than one 'dose' is sometime necessary.

This is a shamanic practice so it requires the necessary training and practice. Of the people I know who have the training, they do not do this for themselves - or if they try, they are not talking. :-}

I would not do this for myself unless there were no other practitioner available and it was an emergency.

Hope this helps.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Priestess,

Namaste.

A Teacher, Rinpoche once suggested to us - "we are all thought forms. Once you see that you will know much; once you know that much will be very clear.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,
I read the book, and very interesting. Do you know anyone who does training in US? Looked on the net, and did not see anyone here. I would not want to attempt it without some training..... L&L Priestess

Priestess,

Namaste.

Try the Foundation for Shamanic Studies. They have teachers that instruct in all sections of the U.S. This is the organization from which Sandra Ingerman got her training and now trains others.

One must do the basic shamanism and journey course as a pre-requisite to the advanced techniques courses.

They have a website.

Good hunting.

Reiki all around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,

Looked there. I think what I want is the "WeekEnd Intensive" course that does not require a sleeping bag and a rock bed! (city girl, you know) ;-)) Get it all in one session at the Holiday Inn!

Love and De-Light