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Death and dying

posted at 2/1/2003 3:07 PM
ID# 44025
I'm an ICU nurse and reiki master for two years. Am sick today after event yesterday and need advice. My pt. (30 yrs. old fe,on vent, pneumonia)struggling to breath, decided to try reiki when 12 year daughter in to visit. Placed hands on and pt. died at the moment I activated reiki. I felt like I was yanked out of my body. Weak rest of day, slept 12 hours. Aching all over today, in fog, with sore throat and flu like symptoms. Feels like I was punched in the stomach. Never had this happen before. Need some help with this one. I've never seen this mentioned in any books.

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/1/2003 4:09 PM
ID# 44028
This is a reply to: 44025

As far as the sensations you experienced i can;t even remotely answer a "Why" on that one. As for the patient dying, i would think that it was merely time for her to pass on. It has been said Reiki helps assist in the process of death. Helping one to be more comfortable and additionally assists them on their journey into the great beyond. So perhaps the Reiki gave her a great sense of peace immediately. Maybe she was clinging to life too long and as soon as the divine energy entered her it gave her the strength to pass from this world.
One possibility for the sensations you experienced could be linked to the phenomenon of how sometimes a reiki practioner will feel the patients pain within them. Such as working on someone with a broken arm (after being set of course) and feeling the pain in one's own arm. Maybe what you picked up was her passing. IT wasn;t your spirit being yanked it was you experiencing what she was in her moment of passing. Death is a very powerful transformation so perhaps that is why you felt everything so strongly.
Also it is possible to collect the energetic gunk released fromt he healing. And if she was sick enough it brought about her passing then one can assume there was a whole lot of negative energy within her.
Also perhaps ( my favorite suggestion) ask your guides why you experienced what you did. That is what they are there for .
And i'm sorry to hear you're so unwell. To be honest i would keep a very close eye on yourself. I've had pneumonia before. And while mine was considered a very mild case, it's a serious problem regardless. Even being a mild case i had never been so sick in my life before or after. And alot of what you're saying about needin increased rest and feeling completely weak with the stomach problems reminds me of what it was like when i began contracting pneumonia.

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/1/2003 4:50 PM
ID# 44029
This is a reply to: 44025
Everything David said makes sense to me. And....it could also be that you actually have the flu and it just happened to hit you right after the passing of your patient. Sometimes....things just happen....sometimes the flu is just the flu?

I am sorry that your patient left this lifetime at the moment you laid hands on. I know it has to feel like you caused her passing, or that Reiki did at least. But one of first things my RM taught me in my Reiki I lessons was that sometimes a very sick person, just hanging on to life by a thread, will indeed use the Reiki energy to make their journey to the other side. It happened once to my RM when she was doing a distance sending. She felt the patient leave and she was just in shock over it for days. She had to remind herself many times over that her client's higher self made the decision and that she didn't "cause" the death.

Many blessings, Nancy, and I wish you a speedy recovery from whatever you are dealing with.

Namaste,
Lionheart

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/1/2003 5:09 PM
ID# 44031
This is a reply to: 44025
Nancy,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- welcome to The Cafe :-}}

- I am glad for your voice and light.

- in my estimation you were connecting with a fair amount of Personal Energy as well -

- hence some of the after-effects of that sort of "disconnect"

- some energy work for yourself, thru Tanden especially, couldn't hoit

>:-}}

- I have a neat and short balanciong pranayama that might be useful for a while

- if interested just e-mail me and I will send it to you

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper


re: Death and dying

posted at 2/1/2003 10:36 PM
ID# 44038
This is a reply to: 44025
Dear Nancy,

Thank you for for your post. This touches on some issues and events for me as well.

Some time ago I found an animal that was in a bad way. As soon as I sent it Reiki it died. It should be noted that the state it was in, it could not have been closer to death. But it was very clear that my channeling tipped the scales.

Anyway, the event left me with some serious questions. This kind of situation I never heard of; Reiki sending one to the white tunnel.

Recently, my elderly and frail grandfather had taken a turn for the worst requiring hosptalization. He was in great pain so they had him hyper doped on morphine. This seemed to lower his congnitive acuity more than the pain but it was needed. Any way, watching this was hard sitting on my Reiki hands. He was very near death and family members were flying in.

Knowing I was potentially violating the Reiki Prime Directive on permission I took tentaive action to the hurting part of his body, I seemed to get a resistive reaction. I back off and put my intentions to the head. At that point he opened his eyes wide and declared (not to me) "I can't go, I don't know what's going to happen". Up until and after that point he was catatonic and unable to speak, let alone so clearly.

I believe that in both our cases, the individual was on the brink of transition and our influence affected the outcome only in the sense that the person was better able to make a calm decision on whether to stay or go.

As far as your reaction to the event, I would agree that your weakened state and the sharing of your personal energy was at work there.


Namaste,
Michael

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posted at 2/1/2003 10:46 PM
ID# 44042
This is a reply to: 44025
Otoharo!

Nancy, Several instances from my experience are similar. Sometimes the healee releases a disabling energy and the person holding the healing energy receives it. Reiki yourself, smudge, cneter, ground etc. Release the disabling energy.

finality

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/2/2003 9:46 PM
ID# 44097
This is a reply to: 44042

Well now I am confused. Do we refuse to give reiki when we know are loved ones are terminally ill? I treat my Dad with Alzheimers and he is in the final stages, I don't want him to go and can't help that feeling, if i treat him with reiki am I helping him to leave this plane?

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/2/2003 10:31 PM
ID# 44103
This is a reply to: 44097
No, eirelassey...please do not stop giving your dad Reiki, and anyone else who is terminally ill, (if they want it, of course.) You will only be helping them to find the energy to do what their Higher Self will do anyhow.

As much as we want to hang onto our loved ones on this plane, if they are suffering and holding onto this life only by a tiny thread....why wouldn't we want them to find peace and everlasting comfort and relief from pain in the arms of the Light and the Universal All??? Anytime we share Reiki (I fear I'm not saying this well) we are only helping our client to do what THEY will chose to do, whether that is healing or not healing. THEY chose always. We, as practitioners, only help to focus the energy for their use.

If your dad leaves this plane while you are giving him Reiki (and you don't know that he would) then you will know that HE made that decision at that time and that he left in a peaceful and whole state of being. That would certainly bring me comfort if it was my dad and he had Alzheimer's.

I almost lost my dad last March, the very week after I got my Reiki I attunement. I did not hesitate to give him Reiki. I figured that he'd decide whether to heal or to leave, but either way, I made the energy available. Bless his heart, despite all his docs saying his chances of survival were practically none.....he's still here alive and kicking nearly a year later. And happy to be doing nearly all his old activities! We never know, do we? His doctors are quite amazed at his recovery.

Many blessings to another loving daughter and her dear father.

Namaste,
Lionheart

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/2/2003 11:49 PM
ID# 44106
This is a reply to: 44103

I agree. I think in the end that person is goign to use the energy as they are supposed to. If it is time for them to go it will ease their passing. If it is not time for them to go then you could give them exactly what they need to get up and going again.


Blessings,
Dave

re: Death and dying

posted at 2/8/2003 2:51 PM
ID# 44600
This is a reply to: 44025
Once. along time ago, my cat had kittens and one was dying. I picked her up, put her on my chest and did reiki on her. I used the long distance healing symbol. She died immediately. I felt she should be put back with her mother so the mother would not be searching for her and would move her from the litter. When I put her back in the kitten box the other two immediately died. It was like a bridge. I could see it faintly.

I made a mental note that perhaps death has a resonance and reminded myself not to use the symbol hands on on the very young.

A couple years later a little snow leopard cat I had was dying. She was having convulsions and crying out. The vet was afraid it was a contageous disease and wanted to attempt to keep her alive until morning for a fresher tissue sample for the lab. My roomate and co owner of the cat agreed. It was a nightmare. I was weeping, the cat was crying in pain. I begged and pleaded that she be put down but the men wanted to know what the disease was.

I prayed and suddenly remembered the bridge. I went to the enclosure where she was-she had an IV. I visualized the long distance symbol laying before her.

"Run Possum Run! I whispered-"Hurry before they come in". It was like we were in another realm. I was standing before a bridge and she was on it. It was like it was light and I know I was too heavy for it yet she could stand easily. She hestiated and ran across it enveloped in fog. She turned and ran back for a moment but I clapped my hands and told her to run.

The vet tech came in and saw that she was gone. She had died. Death was never the same. I could see that for her it was like the casting off of an old garment. Such relief in her blue eyes when I told her to go on.

The discovery of the use of that symbol was such a gift for me in working with animals as I did some work at a vets. If a stray animal was horribly injured or ill and I did not know wheteher to work on him or not I would just put the symbol down and if he left that was it but if he stayed no effort was spared at life support.

There is alot about the symbols that have yet to be discovered. There are stories of Mrs Takata raising the dead so it is not surprising that it could have the opposite effect on another level.