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Namaste,

I have this question thats been kinda bugging me and just wondered what others think....it isn't really about Reiki but more the soul. Its probably a dumb question, but I can't seem to come up with a conclusion.

okay here goes....did the soul of Jesus evolve....ie did it go through the cycle of death and rebirth many times until it reached enlightenment in Jesus' lifetime or if because he was the son of God was his soul here just the once because his soul was 'the source' and was enlightenment?

And then that leads me on to this....if his soul did evolve couldn't he (Jesus) have been here many times before rather than just the once?

Hope I don't offend anyone with this question, I just wondered what others think.

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

helen
It's not a dumb question at all. Jesus is and was a sourch of enlightenment. It's just that the romans thought differently and had the hammer and nails to prove it. Did jesus evolve, many people at the time according to the bible thought he (jesus) was a reincarnate of phophets. And i guess for those to understand the phylosophy at the time maybe that was needed.
namaste
T2

Helen,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

I do not know all the fine points on "ressurrection" but there are those who say this supports the notion of reincarnation -

:-}}

I guess the question is was his birth the first and only??

It could have been the first - I a taught we all had a first birth -

- when we were "immaculate" - that is, it was a time when we had not yet accummulated Karma.

:-}}

Could he have been in a second or 100th life? Yes.

It could have been his only life too - if he attained enlightnement at his death then his "return" would be as Bodhisattvahs return to Samsara by choice.

To say Jesus was "the enlightenment" is of course the christian view -

However, I am intrigued by the supposed "missing years of Jesus" when it is said he studied in the East and was a guru there, or something to that effect.

:-}}

Hope this adds something tempting to the stew.

reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Namaste T2,

Many thanks :)

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Firekeeper,

Namaste and many thanks :))

Why after attaining enlightenment would a Bodhisattvah choose to return to Samsara ?....would it be to help the collective karma of mankind and in doing so would the Bodhisattvah start accumulating karma again, or would he /she maintain his enlightenment?

I wasn't aware of the 'missing years of Jesus' other than there is a lot of his life not covered in the new testament. I would be interested too to learn more about that time :))

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Helen,

Namaste :-}}

There seem to be several views of Bodhisattvas -

- one is that they are fully enlightened and can choose to return to Samsara to perform Compassionate Actions on the behalf of individuals, groups, races, etc.

Another view is that such "choice" to reincarnate, a choice the all the rest of us do not have, is a step toward Buddhahood - Buddhahood being "complete enlightenment" - so the Bodhisattva is enlightened enough to choose about reincarnating but not yet Buddha - enlightened.

:-}}

In that sense, yes, they too would accummulate "Karma" of a kind - but they are never again deceived by Samsara at death so always have the choice to reincarnate - or not.

Hope this helps,

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Namaste Helen ~

what a bonce-boggler this is! VERY interesting. I'm anxious to read others responses.

From my infantile viewpoint, and my Catholic "playground" upbringing ... As Jesus is a part of the Holy Trinity would his soul NEED to have evolved??? As he warned in one of his lessons of the beggar who was taken in - I don't remember which one it was right now - and whose feet were washed and anointed and then dried by Mary Magdalenes (?) long hair that we should be kind to strangers, no matter who, as we don't know who that stranger may be. Am sure someone here knows exactly what I can't remember right now... Which brings me to the last part (do I hear the crowd hurraying? lol) didn't it state somewhere that God sent his only begotten Son? Once? I know, I'm a terrible Catholic, but the gist of the teachings stuck with me!

Without facetiousness intended, I think that Jesus, and others close to him, have an open "pass" to this realm, that don't need soul evolvement like we do. Just my humble thoughts.

Peace. Sands

Helen
A bodhisattvah attains buddahood, yet re-enters samsara
by their choice for the compassion of all sendiant beings still struggling with samara themselves. But doing so they are able to relieve the Karma of others. The tibetian book of the living and dying will explain in greater detail.
T2

Hi,

I really don't mean to offend any religon and I beleive thay are all on the same base power of love, power of knowledge and the power of creator. But they have been affected by tricks of the negative energy according to the energy level of the prophets.

Jesus is completely out of wheel of death and rebirth. I am not sure if he has ever been to that wheel. He works at spiritual department of the universe not warrior. His actual duty before sent to earth was one of the chief healers and he has thousands of helpers from same department. He is always around us. He was sent by highest council of the universe to ease the pain of the spirits reborn in earth by showing the BODY the power of love, power of knowledge and power of the creator. That was all he said. And he never meant crusaders, "Jihad" any killing at all. Very interesting part is he was sent in his actual body. He is mostly seen spirit and the description is always same (not like BBC's latest description). just like the pictures we have seen in church. And also some jewelry seen on him (not in the pictures)are commonly being seen.

During healing somebody if you let jesus or any other healer spirit sent to earth on duty take over you will feel incredible energy in your hands. Just imagine it is jesus or any other healer right next to you and giving you all the energy needed. That energy will remove negative energy and you will see your hands will be locked on the needed body. You don't have to be a catholic, Moslem or you don't need to pay $700 an hour to call jesus or any other healer on duty to help you heal people. They are here on earth on duty to help us deliver the energy needed.

A couple of things on Jesus.

Could it be that the whole purpose of that mystical experience of the "Transfiguration" be that Jesus was showing Peter, James and John who he was in his Past Lives?

The Gnostic Gospels are quite revealing...and a good read, for those who are on the Mystical side of the Christian aisle. They were rediscovered at Nag Hammadi in the 1940's...

Another interesting Gospel, is the one written by Levi at the turn of this century. He transcribed an account of Christ's life from the Akashic Records. It is quite amazing.

Personally, Jesus has shown up quite a few times during Reiki for me. I was given an incredible gift from him during my attunement. What an amazing person he was and is.

Blessings,
Allan

Firekeeper,

Namaste :))

Thank you this has painted a clearer picture for me.

sooo Buddhahood and 'complete enlightenment' how does this fit in with 'Source'....I mean is it on an equal like God or is that not possible? Sorry if I'm not explaining myself very well....I mean if you had to give a family tree with 'Source' at the top would Buddhahood be beside or below? I mean Jesus is considered in the Christian faith to be a part of 'Source', so I guess he would be beside....

Just trying to understand :))

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Namaste T2,

Thank you this is very helpful :)

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Namaste Sandsok,

Thanks for your reply :)

Yes you're right Jesus in the Christian faith is considered to be at one with God, his only begotten son

I can accept that he isn't or wasn't an evolved soul but I just can't help wondering ....did he only come here the once or could he have been here many times before?

Think I'm going to make myself dizzy with this one :)))

Love,light and blessings
helen.

Namaste Kuranko-gen,

Many thanks for your reply.

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Namaste Allan,

Many thanks for your reply.

I have real trouble believing you see that he has only ever been here the once....why not more than once?

Yes, I have had one or two occasions too with distant healing when I have perceived his presence and on one occasion he was holding the baby that I was sending healing too :)

I will try and get hold of the Gospels that you mention....I am always interested in learning more about his amazing life.

Love,light and blessings
helen.

Hi,

My Background is Jewish and my girlfriend is Catholic( many interesting disscusions :-} ). I think Jesus has been here many times and in many forms. Budda, Malchesadek, Mohammad,
etc. Each seems to say the same thing. The is one God and that God is love. The more we come from a place of love the closer we are to God and his/hers ( God encompasses all ) purpose for us.

david

Helen,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

Suppose that all "Gods" (Christian, Hebrew, Muslim, Druidic, etc) are only the Big Masks we, as fallible humans, put on Source?

- Afterall, Source "may" be more than Infinite.

:-}}

Hope this helps.

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper,

Namaste :))

Okay I can cope with the Masks....makes sense especially as if you strip away all the palava then essentially most religion is about the same thing :))

More than infinite though.....nope that's finally done it....my one brain cell can't cope with that possibility and has exploded....time for a nice simple snipe hunt :))))))

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Namaste david,

Yes I keep coming back to the feeling that he has got to have been here more than once :)

When you take each religion back to basics they're really all striving for the same thing aren't they? And you're right when we all come from a position of love then that is when we really are closest to God and knowing our own true nature.

Love,light and blessings
helen.

Helen,

Namaste, sweetie.

I saw 'snipe hunt' in there!

I say we leave the thinking alone for just a bit, as well as the irritations around us and take off and find a few.

Think we ought to keep them, though, and just sit on the ground and let them dance around US for a change. Might create some good karma... I think they like drums and flutes!

blessings, Priestess

Helen,

/*\ Namaste :-}}}

Religions are just masks on masks.

>:-}}

You are much too self-effacing :-}} One Brain Cell>

Hmmph :-}} Well........it must be a "biggin"

bagl.

Snipe hunt??? Cool. I just bought me a new gunnysack - gives me a chance to break it in properly.

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

rainbow
Were you able to find the book there are two that I'm aware of.
namaste
T2

Namaste T2,

The one I found listed at Amazon is by Sogyal Rinpoche....would this be the right one?

Many thanks
Love,light and blessings
helen.

Firekeeper,

Namaste :))

Trust me on the one brain cell....I was once known to ask, much to the mirth of my husband...what colour is a Chameleon? :))))))

So I hope a Snipe is a bit easier to spot than a Chameleon anyway :)))

Love,light and blessings
Helen.

Priestess,

Namaste :))

Knew you'd be tempted by a good ole snipe hunt :))

If you want them to dance around us, maybe we should disguise your cauldron, then i reckon they'd be happy to dance all night long....safe in the knowledge that they're the entertainment rather than dinner :))

Love,light and blessings
Helen.