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Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/14/2003 8:46 PM
ID# 52239

Namaste,

I have talked to the Shaman that Sandra Ingerman recommended & have an appointment scheduled for Soul Retrieval this coming Tuesday at 10 A.M - 12 noon.

I have been told that for the next 3 nights I should request guidance in my dreams as to how I am to receive this...

My problem is this; I have been so fearful because of medical & other problems that I have just about "shut down"...can't remember the last time I dreampt! Also, because of very low resting heart rate [39-44] I am afraid to fall asleep...just doze & cat nap on & off all night long.

My appointment with heart specialist isn't 'til middle of July & the Shaman & I both feel that the Soul Retrieval should be done now.

I would greatly appreciate prayers & Reiki sent to help me open & prepare for this healing.

Love & Light, Myrna


re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/14/2003 9:26 PM
ID# 52241
This is a reply to: 52239
*hugs you warmly, surrounding you in a beautiful, electric blue healing energy, within, through and around you***

Precious lady, Know I'm with you and rooting for you.

May your dreams be filled with all the answers to your questions and prayers.

Be at Peace and know you are loved!

Susan

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/15/2003 1:03 PM
ID# 52260
This is a reply to: 52239
Myrna,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- for myself??? going in afraid or with active fears and anxieities will not make a very conducive environment to which any soul fragments the Shaman can retrieve might be brought

- I would imagine a practitioner would recognoze this

- but, it is your call, of course

>:-}}

- whatever you choose, I have you on my list for nightly reiki practices.

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/15/2003 11:55 PM
ID# 52271
This is a reply to: 52239
Otoharo!

Before I began soul retrieval, I was feeling so good about myself, I made the comment in group that I was about done! I saw our teacher, shift positions and that clued me to expect something next week. For me this was right out of the blue. I had never heard of soul fragments needing to be retrieved especially when we are planning this to be our last life time. Little by little side issues got resolved, then The big day came, when I confrnted the me brought forward. I took years to resolve those issues. Looking back on it. I am glad I began when my confidence was very high.

finality

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 12:15 PM
ID# 52289
This is a reply to: 52260

Namaste Firekeeper,

Thank you for your reply...I must admit it is not something I gave much thought to...mostly because of what I read in Sandra's book. That it is "up to " the fragmented part whether or not it is to be reunited.

I believe any "part" that now feels "comfortable & ready" will make it known to the Shaman & her guides that they are ready for integration...obviously other fragments would not...at least that is how I understoood it.

I will be talking to her again beforehand & will certainly mention this now that you have brought it to my awareness.

She did mention that an "extraction" may be necessary, but has not yet explained that or gone into any detail... I will learn more after our next talk.

Thank you for your support.
Peace, Love & Light, Myrna

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 12:19 PM
ID# 52290
This is a reply to: 52241
Sweet Lady :-)

I am so grateful knowing that your abundant love, prayers, & healing energy will be with me...

Much love, Myrna

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 12:23 PM
ID# 52291
This is a reply to: 52271
Namaste,

Thank you for sharing your experience with me. I'm not "expecting" anything, but do feel that it is time for "whatever" may come.

Blessings, Myrna

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 12:48 PM
ID# 52297
This is a reply to: 52289
Myrna,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- all I am sugegesting is that perhaps the calmer, etc. the one seeking the retrieval is the more likely that there will be readiness for return - to the extent that fragments "decide" this

- most soul fragments that are lost, stolen, etc, occur as a result of some sort of trauma - physical or otherwise

- it is, in my view, less likely that fragments would feel "ready" to return to such an environment

>:-}}

- yes, sometimes extraction of "something" may be needed to make the recipient's environment more suitable again before a retrieval is recommended

- good luck.

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 1:07 PM
ID# 52300
This is a reply to: 52239
Blessings to you Myrna.

Where's your faith Myrna? Nothing will be accomplished without true faith. The ability to have blind faith is one of the most difficult things an incarnated soul can do on this physical world do to the veil of forgetfullness that put upon all when the soul incarnates. Your faith in God will heal you. Remember, "Let Go, Let God." An ounce of true faith to God will move mountains. Just imagine what will happen when this faith is applied to you.

Go with God and be in peace with him. My prayers will also be with you.

God Bless and Amen to you,

Archangel David

re: Soul Retrieval ???

posted at 6/16/2003 2:00 PM
ID# 52303
This is a reply to: 52300
OK, explain this soul retrieval thing to me please.

From what I understand the soul is in profound oneness with god.

It projects a part of its self, a part I call “me”, into this realm. It is not lost. It is not fragmented or in parts and pieces and does not need a mere human even an advanced human called a shaman to retrieve it or in some way reconnect it to itself, me.

I metaphorize my soul and I as a flashlight and the light that comes from it and hits a wall. The soul is the flashlight and I am the light that manifests on the wall. In this process nothing is lost and nothing needs retrieving

rich


re: Soul Retrieval ???

posted at 6/16/2003 2:49 PM
ID# 52305
This is a reply to: 52303
rich,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- there are many views (and experiences) of Soul

- I suggest you read the book "Soul Retrieval"

reiki all around

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 2:53 PM
ID# 52306
This is a reply to: 52300
David,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- one view suggests that, in Samsara, one of the inevitable symbiants of faith is doubt

>:-}}

- or "questioning" if you prefer

- and, it is the Questions that matter, afterall

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval ???

posted at 6/16/2003 10:51 PM
ID# 52334
This is a reply to: 52303
Otoharo!

Rich, my case is not the usual. I experienced a loss very long ago because "I" did not want to fact what I did, I put it down so to speak. I these eons of times, I have not dared to take a look at that one of me. It was me, no the soul you are talking about. I split off the me that manifested and that part refused to incarnate again. It has remained stagnant. Not until the manifested me decided to go home again finally, it became necessary to bring this part of me back into myself. It was not the world around me that I feared but how would i handle this this time around. I was in terror of seeing that me. It took time and a grat deal of experienced help for that to happen. Ego muddied the waters further. I was free to choose whether to do this or not. That part of me I suppose could have rebelled but why? That me met with loving people. It was at least one year of terror for this process to come to a place that I could make the choices I had to make for resolution. I love myself. For a time there I did not. Love is the strongest thing, though. Love won out. I am now engaged in writing an outline of my life (many years) it amazes me how different i see every thing in it. There are no chips on my shoulders. There is no fear, no terror, no anger, no rage.

I hesitate to tell this story because I was not helped by a shaman in the way firekeeper talks nor my master with whom I learned Usui Shiki Ryoho from. He is also a Shaman.
There were others in the group that helped me, one of whom asked whether this is soul retrieval, and it is. That is what was accomplished. A part of me has been lost for all these eons. Lost to me the manifested one and lost to the higher self or over soul who will not counter my free will. She has just waited it out.

I hope others can tell you less complicated stories.

finality

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/16/2003 11:03 PM
ID# 52335
This is a reply to: 52306
Hi Myrna, :-)

I 'll have to agree with Archangel ;-), your faith in God will heal you...know that whatever the circumstances in your life, all is very, very well :-)

But I would also add forgiveness...It is my understanding that all disease is a result of the guilt that we humans feel on one level or another, so we create all sorts of problems for ourselves, a lot of pain and suffering, all in order to work off that guilt...So maybe you like to spend some time in contemplation discovering why you have brought this on yourself...What is it you feel guilty about?Who have you attacked and think that you deserve suffering in return?...Maybe you r immediate answer to such questions would be 'I don't know!'...Well, Myrna, if you knew, what would the answer be?...Because nothing happens by chance and without a reason, what you 're experiencing is the effect of some cause...Find the cause, forgive it and surrender the whole situation to God with unwavering faith that whatever is keeping you sleepless at night has already been healed...All you need to do is accept it.Cause God answers before we 've even asked, you know ;-)

God bless

Love,

Emmanuelle xxx

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 2:32 AM
ID# 52347
This is a reply to: 52335
Emmannuelle,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- someone once suggested: god helps those who help themselves"

>:-}}

- to me this suggests that, to a large degree, in Samsara we are on our own - that we are responsible for our own Karma, anong other things

>:-}}


- and that is not a bad thing

>:-}}

- as for guilt?? in my view the only thing guilt "causes" is more neurotic mis-perceptions of Existence

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

firekeeper


re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 3:41 AM
ID# 52348
This is a reply to: 52347
Hi Firekeeper!(btw, enlighten me please...which fire are you keeping?And keeping it from what exactly? ;-))

Well, if you believe you are alone, you are in the sense that you experience life that way.Your experience in Samsara is shaped by your belief system.(your conscious AND unconscious beliefs and the latter are the ones that seem to cause so much trouble!!!)

About guilt...I don't believe anybody should feel guilty about their actions.No, just take responsibility for them and do one's best in making amends and/or asking for forgiveness when the action has hurt another.

But the fact of the matter is most of us DO feel guilty about all sorts of things...mostly unconsciously...and yes, I firmly believe that results in karmic suffering.

The innocent are immune to suffering(well, we 're all ultimately innocent but I refer to those who also perceive themselves that way) ...unless it's their conscious choice to take on the suffering of another


Love,

Emmanuelle xxx

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 7:03 AM
ID# 52354
This is a reply to: 52335
Namaste Emmanuelle,

Ahhha....the cause....that is what I believe resides within a missing "fragment". The "cause" is the reason for the split & it happened to me as an infant so I have no cognitive memory to access, only "the feelings/emotions" remain. The "terror/fear" that affected the child's base animal instinct/mind [amygdalla] are what "remained" with me & have affected my whole life.

With much help in healing & support for several years, I have "gotten over" wanting to know "the cause" or placing blame. I just feel it is time to reintegrate any fragments that are ready to do so.

I am so grateful to Firekeeper for pointing the way to Sandra Ingerman & her book...I learned that what I had "felt" for many years was not just my imagination...that not only can a soul split; but that it can also be reintegrated...that! I had never imagined!

As to the "original" cause...how or why I "signed on" for this experience/dis-ease I obviously don't know...like all of us in manifestation, my contract is not within this ego body's conscious memory. I do "trust" that all is as it should be & that this experience [Soul Retrieval] also is within my game plan! This ego body's "fear" does not negate my belief or faith in Source...I am just in a strong period of "reacting" and can't seem to find my way back!

BTW...this is not what is keeping me sleepless at night[although I realize all of this is connected]. The fear is because of my extremely slow heart rate...if it drops further during sleep I could just go unconscious or into a coma...hard to relax & drift off in this circumstance...at least for me, it is.

Peace, Light, & Love, Myrna

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 9:25 AM
ID# 52363
This is a reply to: 52348
Emmannuelle,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I don't recall saying I am or feel alone

>:-}}

- I have "All My Relations", afterall

>:-}}

- but I am still responsible for my Karma, no one elses just as no one else is responsible for my Karma

- Firekeeper?? there are any number metaphors one might come up with so I leave that to you

>:-}}

- another thought: are we not all "firekeepers"??

>:-}}

- yes, experiencing chronic feeilngs of guilt is a fairly essential neurotic dynamic

- however there may be the occasional situation where feeling a bit of guilt or remorse is heatlthy

>:-}}

- thus, I worry about those who experience no guilt (or at least act as if this is the case) - sociopaths, psychopaths, etc

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper


re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 11:38 AM
ID# 52366
This is a reply to: 52347
Greetings Firekeeper,

God will help those that help themselves. By first choosing to let go and let God, the first step is taken in helping yourself. When you allow to forgive yourself and then have true faith in God that all is healed, then all will manifest as you asked. In your mind, ask what you need. In your heart, believe it has happened.

God Bless and Amen to you,

Archangel

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 11:48 AM
ID# 52367
This is a reply to: 52366
David,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- one view of: ask what you need and and in your heart believe it has happened: is that wishing it so is the epitome of Samsaric Illusion

>:-}}

- if we try to let anyone else or "anything" else fullfill us?? then we are simply trying to abrogate our karmic responsibilities - which, of course, is not possible

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 12:05 PM
ID# 52368
This is a reply to: 52354

be
I too have wondered about Soul Retrival. I haven't read the book but was on my list.

My Spirit Group did a Soul Retrival I & II.

It was a guided meditations. The jist was to go back to a time you needed to review. Review and figure out how it affected you. My review revealed some issues that needed to be seen in a different light so I could react to them differently. It definitely brought some light to past issues. It helped me with the guilt of divorce from an alcoholic/cocaine addict. It also revealed bad choices as a result of it.

Is this what the book is about. If it is I would highly reccomend it. It helped me to stop beating myself up about past really really dumb choices or really really good life lessons as I see it now.

Have a great day.
Be

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 12:24 PM
ID# 52370
This is a reply to: 52367
Greetings to the one who keeps fire :-),

When you ask what you truely need, you will be following your karmic need. Asking for what you want does not fall inline with the person's karmic needs. For more on this please read the Bible (Mark 11:20-26).

Amen to you,

Archangel

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 12:39 PM
ID# 52371
This is a reply to: 52370
David,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- any every, feeling, question, or action has effects (of some sort) from which Karma accumulates

- the bible is a fine book - but not the only book

>:-}}

- there are many paths to Unity with Source

>:-}}

- so, perhaps no we can talk about reiki - or something like that

>:-}}

Reiki all aorund,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 1:47 PM
ID# 52375
This is a reply to: 52371
Greetings Firekeeper,

You are correct in that there are many paths to the unity of Source (God). Universal truth is universal truth no matter what belief system is talked about, including Reiki. We just have remember to acknowledge the univeral truth (God/univeral source) and not the individual truth (religion) because once individual truth is taken away, all that is left is the Truth. I think the quote you wrote in you bio about Mitakuye Oyasin says it all, "... the 'Spirit' that underlies All is the same regardless of the 'Masks' people put on Spirit - Masks we call 'religion'".

Also, belief systems will not work unless there is faith, including Reiki. If the Reiki practioner and client do not have faith that Reiki will work then it will not work. And faith comes from the heart.

Amen to you and all,

Archangel

re: Soul Retrieval

posted at 6/17/2003 1:55 PM
ID# 52376
This is a reply to: 52375
David,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- the laws of the Physical Universe do not obey faith

- apply all the faith you wish to a 10 pound lead ball you are holding 3 feet above your foot that it will not fall when you release it and tell me how the experiment goes

>:-}}

- similarly, the movement of ULE does not depend on faith

- so, it may simply be that we will agree to disagree.

- take care.

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper