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I have a littl habit of surrendering my will & my life to God every day(well, *almost* every day).I affirm that God's Will is my Will and I ask God to guide me thru my day in all matters.

Despite that, some days go horibly wrong...I 'm assuming that God wants me to go thru a certain unpleasnt experience as part of my growth...

But then again, why would God need me to learn anything thru pain?In the past few days, I 've been suffering...a lot of the pain is physical...

So...what's the point of surrendering my Will and my Life to God if there's so much suffering involved in it anyway?

I feel so confused

I 'm hurting too...:-(

Love,
Pepi xxx

This is an age old question that you present. There are no sure or easy answers. I also have a ever growing closer relationship with spirit.

I do not believe that God neccessarily puts me through tests. Life does that. I do not that my belief and faith gives me strength and hope, promise, that it will all be okay.

It is in enduring and carrying on that my faith grows.

Letting go and accepting what is helps me work it out.

At least when I let myself out of the way and trust that this is so. Much more easily said than done!

love and light!

david isaiah

i know just waht you mean pepi,

its a double edged sword but at no time must you feel you do not work with god on your own self and he does not work with you,

and when horrible things happen he does not wish them to happen to you, never does he ever wish that, he loves you and only wishes good things to happen to you, when bad things happen, sit up, take stock, do your bit and send him a cute message saying please be with me, coz in suhc doing he is with you,

contrary to popular belief god does not wish unhappiness on earth, that is not a real situation, unhappiness is a created and contrived situation,

such things often perpetrate coz somewhere along the way we have been forced to accept outcomes which have not made us happy and instead of learning to understand them and moving on we start perceiving them to be reality which ofcourse colours relaity for us too,

tell me why is it so hard for us to accept joy ? lets take that as our reality instead !

I don't think it at all the divine's fault. I see it as a fault of Self. As I am undergoing a huge period of stress myself I understand your hardship. For me I realize that the challenges I am presented with are periods of growth. I can either undertand it for what it truly is and try to understand it in the divine sense of what it truly is or I can sit back and say " This sucks I blame God"

On another note many belief systems say that the closer we are to God the more trials we are faced with as that which is not of God(or other deity name) tries to keep us from Him/Her/It/none of the above.

Otoharo!

Dear Pepi xxx, Your question is right. Why do it? I found out that God does not require that we submit to His Will. He says back to us, "My will is to assist you in your will." And do not think this is infallible! If you can get hold of them, I recommend you read the "Conversations with God" series. They are special! I suspect also that religion will be going by the way side before too long under the weight of its own dogma.

finality

Otoharo!

Dear Pepi xxx, Your question is right. Why do it? I found out that God does not require that we submit to His Will. He says back to us, "My will is to assist you in your will." And do not think this is infallible! If you can get hold of them, I recommend you read the "Conversations with God" series. They are special! I suspect also that religion will be going by the way side before too long under the weight of its own dogma. You can access the God Within you. Here, answers make perfect sense.

finality

otoharo!

conflagratio n, it is the ego that tries to keep us from the Divine by any and all means.

finality

You are looking for perfection on earth, my friend, and there is none. There is only trying.

God saved your soul when His son died for you.

So, you're saved, now what are you going to do?

If you didn't feel pain, life would not be worth living.

Suppose you had a new baby. And suppose I offered you a medicine that would cause that baby to grow into a fully functional, fully educated, well-adjusted adult. Would you let me administer it?

Try a few books. The Holy Longing. The Spirituality of Imperfection. Those huys talk from pain!

Frank B.

Namaste Pepi,

sorry to hear of your tribulation -- I hope it passes soon.

Without knowing your situation, so many things can go wrong with a physical body that perhaps it's surprising that some human life expectancies are expanding. You'd think that these fragile bodies wouldn't last one decade!

I try to not take the bad things so personally -- when the grief and pain clear away, I hope that there is something to learn, or a way for me to change, especially if I have no power to alter the upsetting reality. I think God has issued us all driver's licenses, and while we may have the rare guidance and communication from Heaven Office, s/he trusts that we are capable of steering and braking and checking our oil and getting maintenance on our own, with little intervention. Pain comes frequently when we are not in the right place, and suffering is often the result of the mind's refusal to adapt to new circumstances.

If I may presume to guess at the purposes of God, I would think that one of God's possible intentions is for people to _overcome_ obstacles -- because this can make us wiser, and stronger. It's the end result and what we make of our experience that is desirable -- if God can cry, I'm sure s/he's crying with you at the pain you are currently undergoing, like a parent who must allow a child to stumble so they may learn.

Just my view,

Peace,

Lunarreikin

Frank B.,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- it sounds as if you assume she is christian for part of your response

- suppose she were Muslim? Jewish? Buddhist? Wiccan? Hindu?
Mayan?

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings

Firekeeper

Pepi,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- if you are referring to "God" from the christian tradition then one view is that god does not routinely involve itself in the daily affairs of Humans - (this view is held to some extent in other "religions" as well it seems

>:-}}

- this means that we actually might have to exercise a certain amount of self-reliance and\or reliance on our "fellows"

>:-}}

- perhaps make a request for reiki at the healing requests board Re: your pain??

- lessons?? our Karma is full of lessons and Teachings as well

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Usually when I see the word God I immediately think Christian as well. Conditioned response from having it really signify the Christian God 98% of the time. I think the well wishings and trying to make pepi feel better are the important things. And from my experience usually Wiccans would say Goddess even though there is a God recognized as well. : )~

conflagration,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- I was actually referring to: "god saved you when his son died for you"

>:-}}

- "God" (alone) is not a uniquely christian expression

>:-}}

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Yes I did see the post and knew what you were talking about. And I agree that it is not uniquely christian. But for many people ,especially those in predominantly christian countries , God is used to signify the Christian understanding more so then anything else. As it obviously does for the person who responded to pepi. My point was that sure, while pepi may mean something altogether different from Christianity including her own personalized not practiced by anyone faith, I couldn't see any reason to have responded in that manner to said individual(i think i saw his name was frank?) while he was trying to be pleasent and comforting and obviously had taken it in the Christian context. I'm not even Christian and I took it in that context. Could I have been wrong? Oh definitely and most assuredly niether the first nor the last time for that in my life. But the idea was to console not convert or say Christianity is best. It looked to me as explanation given under the impression one was of such a faith.Even if it has no bearing on pepi's beliefs the intent was good. And to me your response was just sort of cold and rude to someone who was trying to help. Of course I could be mistaken there too.

Otoharo!

Welcome, Frank. I read your profile and recognise where you are coming from.

I do not agree with your point about pain. Pain is only a signal of something that needs to be fixed. Enduring pain is not valuable in and of itself. Religions have said otherwise I am sure.

finality

Conflagration,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- perhaps I will let the person for whom the post was intended let me know if rudeness was felt.

>:-}}

- have great weekend

Reiki all around,

all blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

Conflagration, your arguments are the reason that we in our group began calling the ultimate one, the Holy. There seems no preconceived thought forms around that term. I has come to feel good to me. I do not see arms and legs, and voice box.

finality

I usually just use the term Divine myself. Same differnece. That way someone can make it into whatever they understand that to be. I have no problems with someone being more specfic I have myself on auto-translate and look for the message in what they say.

Doesn't the Divine, God, I, Universe, goddess, Holy, etc. They all mean the same thing. Any way it is put in a post here, I am not affended if it is put a way that I don't. I just substitue my way and go on. We ask questions here knowing that we are gonna get others views. It should be expected here, for we are from all over the world and have our own beliefs. Each one has there way, but it all leads back to that one God, Divine,I,Universe,Goddess,Holy, etc.
Just a thought
Love and Light
Sherry

Sherry, I agree. Our wmall group had member sort of go up in smoke everything she heard the word God because of her childhood experiences. So we by-passed it in this way. Later, she could accept without rancor.

finality

Sherry, I agree. Our wmall group had member sort of go up in smoke everything she heard the word God because of her childhood experiences. So we by-passed it in this way. Later, she could accept without rancor.

finality

Sorry this post makes no sense. Out small group had a memeber who sort of went up in smoke everytime she heard the word God

finality

I give up!

Hi Pepi,
I can relate to you my family and I also have suffered alot of pain I mean alot. God doesn't want us to have pain. Some would say this is a way of getting us to have doubt in him and steer us away. I found when I prayed for a healing or for the pain to leave for me or anyone in my family things got worse. I now thank him for what I can do and what I do have. I read someplace to pray for a healing is to have doubt in him. When we lose doubt we lose alltogether. Look at the way that you pray, does it sound like you have lost faith when saying them. If the prayer was to come to you how would it sound. Never lose faith.....I am not saying you have just my experience in my life. God loves his children, would you want to see your children in pain, I think not. Blessings to you,
Love and Light
Sherry

Frank, I believe I know what you 're saying, I know where you 're coming from but...even tho I believe in Jesus' teachings, I do not feel life is only worth living when one suffers.It's one thing to go thru some pain at some point in one's Life so you know what doesn't work(the only reason I can come up for the functionality of pain in this world) but recurring suffering...No, I do not believe God has ordained that.But if it is not God, it must be me.Now that in itself hurts:why would I be so screwd up after all the soul searching I 've gone thru in my life to continue to give this to myself?This worries me and depresses me...

And of course, it worries me that even tho I know I have the willingness to release all that is hurting me and even tho I have asked for Divine Intervention or at least guidance for over 10 years now...I 'm still going thru the same recurring pattern...

This upsets me greatly...more than words can say...

And funnily enough, because of those issues that are recurring now, I haven't had a decent Christmas in 9 years...why does my life have to go so wrong around that time of the year?What is the connection?It is painful because I end up celebrating Christmas by myself refusing all invitations to join family & friends...and I can see it happenning again this year again...:-(

Thank you all for your replies

Love,
Pepi xxx