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Otoharo!

Rich, I hesitate to say anything else. I do not aim to be harrassing you. If what you are saying is true, everything just is. Nothing was created. Nothing gets to be created. Therefore we do not create anything. We have never created anything. Everything just is.

How did beautiful pictures get to be created? How do I create the music I write? Where does it some from? I grant you that probably all music already exists and those of us who are composers simply tune in to it and bring it down to sheets of music. I can grant that.

My husband and all my offspring and I are really creative people. I can not follow you that creativity just happens. What do you create? Tell us your experience of creating.

Rich, you believe God is physical. Everything physical dies at some point. How can God die?

What you are saying is getting to make less and less sense to me. So I shut up.

finality

Rich, I suddenly have more to say. I agree that only oneness is. We all were at one time within the whole. We wanted to experience ourselves. So we separated ourselves from the One in order to know ourselves. We created the separation for a purpose. It does not exist of its own. It is our creation rather than God's. It is the same event that children grow up and decide to live separate from family in order to know themselves as separate.

We are always in touch with oneness at will. There are those so intent upon being separate that they wander farther and farther afield from Oneness.

The return to Oneness is the dynamic that drives us spiritually. In Oneness, awareness of separation slips away. For us, all is One. Even living in the separated world of physicality, we are One.

Within ourselves we live in the fourth dimension while the third dimension world transmutes itself. All is in transition right now.

finality

Finality.

You are not harassing me. I enjoy a good exchange of ideas/debate …as long as neither of us gets angry or feel insulted etc.

You wrote,
“Rich, you believe God is physical. Everything physical dies at some point. How can God die?”

God is both physical and non-physical, God is everything, there is nothing outside of god, God is one.

From the dual perspective…
God can die because god is life and death and the context in which both exist. God encompasses duality and transcends it. God is all.

From the perspective of oneness,
Nothing ever dies, it just changes form. Actually from the oneness perspective nothing even changes, everything just is. Everything is infinite.

You wrote,
“How did beautiful pictures get to be created? How do I create the music I write? Where does it some from? I grant you that probably all music already exists and those of us who are composers simply tune in to it and bring it down to sheets of music. I can grant that.”

Beautiful picture are created the same way music is…
From the dual perspective, you get into your creative space and create it.

From the perspective of oneness, it already exists, just as you said that music does, All you do is tune into what already is and put it on paper/canvas. There is not difference in creating music and art.

What do I create?
I was/am an artist. My creative process varies. Sometimes It (a work of art) is just there and I put down on paper. And sometimes I work on it.

In the world of duality we create in time. There is a process. Things are created/get born and die.

In oneness everything just is. There is no creation or death, no time…all time is one

You wrote,
“What you are saying is getting to make less and less sense to me. So I shut up.”

No need to shut up. The exchange of ideas is good. The more I baffle you and the more you baffle me the more we can teach each other.

rich

Firekeeper,

Committee?

That could explain a lot.

bagl

:-))

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

finality,

you wrote,
“So we separated ourselves from the One in order to know ourselves”

we cannot separate ourselves from oneness. It only appears that way from the dualistic perspective.

If all is one there can be no separation from the one.

What happens is that as we enter the dualistic world (the three dimensional world) we forget about the oneness even though we are still in it. (yes, the dulistic worls is also part of the oneness.) The illusion is that we are not one. The illusion is that we think/feel that we are separate. What is called, waking up, is realizing that we are one and not separate. Nothing changes when we wake up but our awareness.

There is a forgetting that we are one and, you are right when you wrote, “The return to Oneness is the dynamic that drives us spiritually.” . Returning to oneness is not like going to a destination. It is a waking up or a remembering.

You wrote,
“It….(separation)…. is our creation rather than God's”

From the dual perspective, we appear separate from God. God creates and we create as two separate events

From the perspective of oneness, God is us and we are God. There is only one of us.

rich

Some of my recent work is on the web. It has been turned into cards at place called
Teaks Unique Cards.

For some reason that I do not understand we are not supposed to put web sites on this board. So I will post it on the recourse board.

By mistake I am under the name Ananda. Most of my work does not look very good on the sit. It is way too small. Some of it is so small you can’t even see what it really is!!

rich

Hi Firekeeper
If you read that great philosospher Terry Pratchett, He suggested in his book "Small Gods" That a God can only exsist if there is someone is there to believe in it.
I have also heard it said that Man creates God in his own image and that some dyslexics worship Dog.

It would appear that the event that started all of this off is either called God or was created by God, but if nothing exsisted before this event, then how could there have been something there to create it.
Probaly an answear that we will never have, but continue to argue about till the end of time(or later)

Namaste

Rob
Friendship with oneself is all-important, because without it one cannot be friends with anyone else in the world.
Eleanor Roosevelt

Rob,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- don't know Pratchett

- but, but - didn't someone (may have been someone here at The Cafe) claim time doesn't exist?

bagl

- if (and it may not be an if) 'we' create god in 'our' own images then is not god surely also an illusion with many faces??

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Firekeeper
You havn't read any Pratchett tut tut shame on you (LOL).
The series of book (and there are now over 25 of them) are called the discworld series.
Many ideas that get discussed here, especially in this thread have been mentioned in the books at sometime or another.

Time dosn't exsist, well I can go along with that. Time or the telling of is a Human invention, or it is in this reality. Maybe we are all an illusion. None of this is really happenening, we don't exsist the way we think we exsist, except in the mind of of some person/being living in another reality. We could all just be a day dream (LOL).

God could well be an illusion with many faces. Take the Judeo/Christain God/ He/She? has changed names several times and also demeanor, going from a belevonant God to a vengfull God. Or is that just the spin that man has put on it for his/her own purposes?

Namaste

Rob
Friendship with oneself is all-important, because without it one cannot be friends with anyone else in the world.
Eleanor Roosevelt

rob,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- Discworld Series?? Sounds like Flat Earth Society to me

<?>:-}}

- haven't gotten to Pratchett as I am charter member of Procrastinator's International

>:-}}

bagl, bagl, bagl (in the furture, of course)

- this assumes, naturally, that time does exist but we are just waiting around for it to happen

bagl, bagl, bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Otoharo!

Rich, I enjoyed these. Thanks for telling how to see them.

finality

Who are setting/forming (etc) the undisputable facts? How many leaders of all leaders are there by now?

I think many are just picking and chosing after they digested the apples that "form" anyone into choosy and non-wise/kind people.

(Eden's forbidden fruits)

I think certain unusual apples can opened up so many points of views, that "reality" maybe = "illusion" or "the not fully explained or known"

Starjasmine

Hi all,

time doesn't exist for those who don't make time or allow it to be set aside.
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There also can be no "leader" or "originator" of anything if there is no one or anything to be found in the entire universe!

We all exist so that many other things or events can be a part of a continumum.
Also if there is a reason of almost everything, then there must be some kind of reality (to some extend) that is the stage for existence to be "played out".

Just thinking laterally, or I think I am.

Starjasmine

starjasmine,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- that, of course, is what the samsaric mind tells us

- but, that is the Illusion

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper