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Hi all,

Frequently, here and elsewhere, I read things such as:

I'll leave it to Spirit

Spirit will guide me

I wonder what spirit has in mind for me?

etc, etc

It is interesting to me that many of the same folks will espouse 'free will' doctrine.

Is there some problem here or am I missing something?

Cheers,

RC

RC,

I'm not going to touch that with a ten-foot pole.

BTW, I was right. You Are the Evil Twin.

Blessings,
Roxy

roxy,

Hi.

How can that be? I am a triplet.

:)

How about a shorter pole, then? It would get you closer to the heart of the matter.

lol

Cheers (neopolitan ice cream on top)

RC

RC,

Oh Gawd, there are three of you???!!!

Unfortunately, I have a hard time expressing my opinions because so many of them involve visual, nonlinear thinking.

I believe in cause and effect as a result of our actions (cause). The effect may take place on subtler planes than our perception can see. Eventually, there are results that we doi experience. Therefore, the result may seem as if it's coming out of nowhere, or some unseen agent is causing them.

It's little like trying to explain the Force in Star Wars.

Blessings,
Roxy

roxy,

Hi.

I am fairly certain you 'know' the Triple Goddess?

Maid\Mother|Crone

Yes?

Well I am from the sect that also honors the Triple God

Lad\Father\Geezer

And, of course, we suppose that things or effects or whatever do not "come out of nowhere". Does this mean they come out of 'somewhere'? If so, where is 'somewhere'? How does one 'get somewhere'?

lol

And, wasn't The Force something to learn to harness to one's Intention? Mindfulness? I don't remember is as 'something that does stuff to us' or to which we leave things to be done.

Again, maybe I am missing something.

Cheers (triple scoop of neoplitan on top)

RC

Dear RC,

So you've finally reached Geezerdom?

I have always believed that there are dimensions beyond our favorite four. But then, I'm not a phsycist.

And is not the act of having intention an action in itself?

Blessings,
Roxy

roxy,

Hi.

Me? A Geezer? Are you trying to rush me? Or suggesting that I would be Geezer if I believed I am one?

lol

Oh yes. Karma accrues to every Intention, feeling, thought, action, reaction, blah, blah, blah

:)

Cheers (hold the Geritol for now, please)

RC

Dear RC,

But doesn't Karma imply some kind of judgement?

And wasn't the original question "Why do people give themselves over to the concept of Spirit?"

A little Geritol for the Crone, here, please.

Blessings,
Roxy

Hi RC,

I though it was 'leave it to beaver'

:-))

or maybe I've been watching too much vintage TV with my aunt.

:-))

Another act of abdicating responsibility and poor logic I think. (but then I often don't hold a popular opinion in these things, nor do I always practice good logic myself :-))

Walk in beauty,
Rebecca

roxy,

Hi.

Your are over 50? When did you have your Croning? If I may inquire?

People are judgemental. Karma will accrue according to the type and manner of the judgementalness. :)
Exactly what will accrue (and how soon) to any particular judgement? Only the Fates know that.

lol

As for the original topic? It is not so far afield from Karma as you might imagine (or wish it to be). Karma means we end up taking responsibilty for all our "actions" whether we foist the blame (responsibilty) onto someone or something else or not.

Cheers (Geritol syrup for roxy)

RC

RC,

Not quite yet, but close. The 17th of March. But, I'm celebrating early.

Well, I guess we came a long way just to agree.

Blessings,
Roxy

roxy,

Hi.

Congratulations. Many blessings for that day and all those to follow.

I am working on a Geezering ritual but unitl it is composed and put into more commom use for now we guys may have to settle for stealing glances at the young female hard-bodies at the Y or JCC

lol

Cheers,

RC

rebecca,

Hi.

But, didn't Beaver kinda get blamed for everything? Maybe that is why the practice of "leave it to......" is so popular. As you say, eschewing resposibility.

Take care,

Cheers (salsa atop)

RC

Hello RC, *hugs**
Great Question... :}

For my personal experience I say the things you listed because I know that Spirit has my back. I know that I don't know everything and even though I have an outline of a plan if I get too rigid in my thinking, I might miss some things that Spirit wants to give me.
Surrendering to Divine will is not giving up your free will. There is a difference. Spirit would never go against you will because Love is all there is, and Love is what Great Spirit is.
Just because I have a plan doesn't mean I know best. I know that if I let my thinking mind think too much, I'm in deep sh**! lol
So, I make a plan, do some free association on the subject and then ask Spirit to provide the path. I know that since I stopped trying to "figure it out" and let Spirit guide my steps things go more smoothely and things usually turn out way better than my limited understanding of what it is I want.
I wanted a job a few years ago that was close to home and that I could continue my studies of metaphysicality without being hassled.. Where did Spirit help me find a job?
Parks and Recs.. Great benie's, great hours, no weekends or nights, great pay, nice folks, flowers all around me, woods.. wow.. Could I have even began to imagine it? Heck No! So, when I asked, I just said, Father/Spirit I know you know what I like and what I need and please find me something close to home that will work for me.. So, I feel that this was accomplished by Not over thinking it..

Hope this is insightful,

Love, Light and Laughter always,
Jahanvi

Oh yes, I forgot.. You should have a basic outline of what it is you want. You can't just sit there like a bump on a log and say do it all for me Spirit..
First and foremost one needs to come from the heart and be in their heart. The best things come from when we are living in that space.

Knowing what we Really want helps.. We have to have a plan of some sorts.. Its the details that Spirit will guide..

Like when I"ve asked for money.. and I've had times lately when I needed some.. Last month my rent went up by 120.00.. I was very depressed and I knew that i was sinking cause it was xmas and I had no cash.. So, I said, Hey spirit, I know that i don't know my worth.. Can you please show me so I can better see myself?
Well, lets just say that it was like people started throwing money at me! No kidding.. I even found 20.00 on the ground outside my part time job..
People were calling for healings, friends i"d attuned distantly & in person gave me money ( without being asked!), one person I did healing for actually paid me up front for her next healing, my teaching classes went well and I started getting ideas for other works I could share with the folks at my reiki share..
Now I"m going to be teaching in the end of February a 10 week class on Sedona Method.. Now this is a bit out of my depth but Spirit says for me to just put it out there.
I have no doubts that if its meant to fly it will..

I can't figure these things out so I have to let go for them to manifest.. I do'nt have any fear becuase I truly believe if its in my best interest to do something or go somewhere Spirit will always clear my path.. Going back to my heart on ( TRUSTING) this one has been a toughie because in my experience betrayal has been something thats dogged me all my life.. ugh..
Even this week SPirit has had to help push me through with the help of some beautiful angels that show me that not all friendships built on trust will end up with a knife in the back. Everywhere I turn there has been this churning of my fears and everywhere I go there is this opportunity to know myself just a bit better and learn to trust my truth just a bit more.
Sometimes friends are friends and even if not, the message of love is always there is were but willing to see..

Oh how fun it is trying to heal NOT TRUSTING Spirit... How fun it is to see the very things I'm resisting healing through surrendering my will to the higher will of something that knows my truest heart without the filter of disillusion that I see through? :}

Bright blessings,
Jahnavi

Well my opinion is that we all have specific things to accomplish , a purpose for which to be here. some might referr to this as destiny , whether great or small is irrelevant. I think failure to accomplish these things ( and i couldn't begin to guess how intricate a design we'd have to adhere to) is what causes us to reincarnate. I think to a degree we just do some of these things naturally. While others may be based on more specific choices.

However, I believe that we have a choice whether to do it or not. The reality is there is no choice either do it now or do it later. This is how i personally relate to the statements of free will being illusion. It's in our best interest to go with the game plan as best we can (since we rarely know exactly what our purpose is this can be very difficult tho i feel we often have deeper callings that lead us along even if we choose not to follow the feeling).

It's like eating,drinking or brushing teeth. We don't have to do these things. But there are severe penalties for not doing them. The choice is there. We can choose either decision. But some are not very good choices for ourselves.

Ok...my opinion...without answering this entire question...cos it's huge...

I agree with alot of Conglag's post, except I have one add-on...
The specific things we are here to accomplish is OUR CHOICE, made before we are born and reviewed after every lifetime with our family.
The path will change depending what's been learnt, because as you may not do something you "agreed" to do, so you may do something which you hadn't agreed to do, possibly resulting in an even better game plan not even envisioned by you, for yourself.

To me, surrendering to Spirit means letting go (as described Jahnavi), enough to get in touch with the "inner" you or "higher self", which to me actually contains Spirit's Essence.
In this way you "remember" your path and even more importantly..."why".

<groan> Does this even make any sense? I am so not a philosopher ... LOL

It makes plenty of sense. Though i feel that who actually mkes the decision is unknown. Which isn't to say i think you're mistaken or your view isn't possible. Only that we really don't know for sure other than personal speculation.

I feel it's ALL personal speculation...clouded by personal experiences...
But yes, I agree, it is unknown.
One day we will all get together and have a laugh over how obvious it all was...and how blind we all were...

I think it can be used as a cop-out. But this is not always the case. If say I need a job, but i'm not putting forth much effort into getting one, then try to say " Oh I think it is Spirit's Will that I remain unemployed at this time and pursue spiritual practices." Well that's just BS. I'm not really even trying. Then look for explanations other than taking blame for only putting out a few applications and not following up on them. That's a cop-out.

If say I put forth tremendous effort, remain positive, show up for interviews on time, am very well qualified, etc. And still don't get jobs in a particular field then I might over time come to the conclusion that perhaps I am to be doing something different. That of course doesn't mean i'm right. But i'm not using it as an excuse.

Hey conflag, *hugs**

I think that there is no failure to do any thing.. I think merely when we return, we come back to where we were going. Rmember that its not the ending its the journey that is significant in our experiences.
Also, I believe that it is Us.. were the ones doing it.. that is a part of Free Will.. We are merely open to new and better experiences with Spirit or we resist our choice to choose again, higher experiences..

Love you!
Jahnavi

natalie,

/*\ Namaste :-}

- Our Purpose?

- hmmmmmmmmm

- well, whatever one might want to be one's purpose I would offer that resolving our Karma is the purpose. If it weren't any longer, we likely would not be here, lounging about in Samsara

bagl

- Our Choice?

- equally, hmmmmmmmmm

- since we do not know much about how our Karma will manifest we cannot say (or know) for certain how it is we are to resolve it (other than by compassionate action)

- if we do not know our Karma then it seems troublesome to say we know our Purpose (other than resolving Karma)

- now, if you mean that we may choose how to act comapssionately?? OK.

- we may also act in ways other than compasisonately based on any variety of Intentions - and so evil passes generation to generation

- but remember, to the extent that our Karma is not known to us "specifically" this will significantly color the "choices" we think we are "choosing"

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

May I answer that question with another questions?

There are no answers that can fully satisfy many of us. Sometimes, we take the best answers (according to our own perceptions).

The question is "what are we seeking and why?"
Also (sorry for asking) "do we want to be part of what we are seeking and glorify our workshipped subject with the purest (most pure) of our hearts?"

Just for an instant put aside the Spirit. Which of us really want to be known for pouring out goods and aids while people (the receivers) are actually just waiting around without wanting "to be there" for others after obtaining stability in themselves etc?
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Being hopeless does not always lead to total hopelessness.
The spirit may require commitment from the hopeless ones. Hence, with a gude, we can move more and understand more. But we still need to allow the Spirit to see that our "task" is done with the fully conscience of our soul and its presence. Hence too, there may be no possessed body that does not know what is going on (when the true Spirit resides in the body).

I'm not counting myself out of anything I say. I too need to see my feet on the ground and going places....

Starjasmine

hoping that all is well....

Hi Firekeeper
Karma. Spirit. Are the 2 connected?.
If we don't resolve our Karma, does it not then throw things at us pointing a way to resolve it?
Spirit also delivers stuff to us, hence "what has spirit got in store for us"

Just wondering (LOL)

Namaste

Rob

rob,

/*\Namaste :-}}

- so, how do you suppose they might be "connected"??

- whatever 'connected' means?

- are you proposing some sort of causal relationship?

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper