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I initially posted the following on another forum that deals with spiritual matters. I see no harm in posting it here as well.

If past, present, future are a closed system and everything that seems to be happening or will happen has already happened...and if *at the same time* every single moment we are making a conscious choice to side with God as opposed to the ego...then it must follow that all possible outcomes exist out there each in different dimensions/frequencies(so to speak) and it just so happens that only one outcome(when mind sides with God)leads us back to Heaven.
Does that mean that those choices that are guided by God in ALL our lifetimes are the only inportant/''real'' choices within the greater illusion that is the Universe and spacetime?

Also, in that sense this life's outcome(for me and everyone else) is not
predetermined. So every single choice in every single moment
counts...right??? And other parts of my mind are simultaneously living
out other choices in other possible parallel Universes....Right???

Thing is if that's true, why bother do anything since everything that
needs to happen will happen either in this or in some other parallel
reality? Seems I could just sit back and watch...wouldn't you say?

Bleesings,
Whatever

Dear Whatever,
Not being a physicist, or the Great Spirit, perhaps I speak from a position of ignorance, however, no one can possibly "know" for certain how the Universe works. It is all theory, constantly being worked & reworked. The veracity of theory appears proven over & over with time yet even then can change as our knowledge expands.
If there is no "individual will" to affect events, if all is predestined, than we are nothing more than characters in a play directed by a larger hand with a predetermined outcome. Just cant buy that theory. The big Steven Spielberg in the Sky?
Bottom line, we can choose but are unable to see all the ramifications of that choice.
To think that your choice does not matter is to give up.

peace & joy,
holobon

Dear Whatever,

If you step outside of the Christian paradigm, and look into the Buddhist concept of compassionate and loving-kindness, you will get a different view of how our actions can affect our spiritual growth.

Blessings,
Roxy

whatever,

Hi,

I am not sure why you bring god into the issue of so-called 'free will'? And, everything that will happen has not happened before. The effects of what we do accumulates Karma in entirely unpredictable ways. So, yes, in that sense, every choice also matters. And, we lead ourselves to enlightenment.

Cheers,

RC

I think I have to apologize for throwing this post in like that without mentioning an important detail: This topic was originally intended for/posted on another forum. In that forum people discusss their views on those two books I 've mentioned before: A Course In MIracles & The Disappearance Of The Universe. I keep coming back to these two books cause so far nothing I 've encountered in the Spirituality field has rung so true to me- even tho I don't like some things I have read in them.(meaning if that's the Absolute Truth, then I 'm not sure I like it!).

Blessings,
Whatever

Hi Whatever,

You said >Thing is if that's true, why bother do anything since everything that
needs to happen will happen either in this or in some other parallel
reality? Seems I could just sit back and watch...wouldn't you say?<

To stand by and watch something, rather than experience it for yourself does not give you the same opportunities to grow and learn or to be empathic to the emotions involved. In my limited understanding our souls are here to grow, learn and undertake experiences that will lead them to resolving their karma.To use a practical example;teachers find that students learn far better when they are able to undertake practical work and examples for themselves rather than merely observing. Also how much easier is it to empathise with someone when you have been through a similar situation?

Gentle Blessings
Helen

rainbow said on

In my limited understanding our souls are here to grow, learn and undertake experiences that will lead them to resolving their karma.

Hi Helen,

But if we were created perfect by God(can God create imperfect?) then our lives here are not so much about growing/learning but more about remembering/realizing who we really are and making the conscious choice to experience ourselves as that.

Still, I know what you are trying to say about empathy. :)

Blessings,
Whatever

Hey there Whatever, *hugs**

What outcome do you want to manifest where you are consious?? Thats the one I'd worry about. Yes, all possibilities both exist and are happening right now and you are choosing from the stream of consciousnes around you and making the perfect choices for your souls evolution.
Its all done yes, but you are still living this physical existence and you are the guiding force alongside God because you are the Great SPirit.. One With.. One...

Have fun and play with this. Enjoy and laugh at yourself..
Its all so very good and wonderful..

Love you and all you do,
Jahnavi

jahnavi18 said on

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>What outcome do you want to manifest where you are consious?? Thats the one I'd worry about.
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>Have fun and play with this. Enjoy and laugh at yourself..
>Its all so very good and wonderful..
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Oh, Jahnavi...so many things I wanted to do...Most of all, I wanted to be a dancer...but due to depression, eating disorders and other unhappy occurrences, I never got any formal training. Now it seems too late for such an endeavor.

Another thing I wanted to do was...OK, don't laugh now, I just wanted to be Miss Indiana Jones & rediscover Atlantis. No luck there either. So I really feel left out big time. :(

Blessings,
Whatever

Dear Whatever,

Your story reminds me of mine. I wanted to be a famous artist by the time I was 25. However, due to being bipolar, I couldn't finish my applications to art school. I realize now, that if I had been a successful artist that early, I would not have been able to handle it. So what seems like bad luck can be good luck in disguise.

I also discovered when I let go of these expectations, I found something much bigger, and much more meaningful, too. I ended up doing Reiki. I still plan on doing the artwork, but with no expectations.

Keep your mind open. Attachments to outcomes will stand in the way of your spiritual growth.

Blessings,
Roxy

Otoharo!

I want to take time to read all these thoughtful posts when I can. In the meantime, we do have free will. There is no judgment. Humans who have advanced as high as humans can advance at this time, (HEB) have advanced. They started out like all of us. It may take eons of time to advance, but time is relative. Lazaris told us that we could change anything in our past as long as we remain ourselves. So the past even is flexible. That is how free will works.

finality

roxyart said on

Attachments to outcomes will stand in the way of your spiritual growth.

That's it. That's been one of my greatest stumbling blocks. My rationale has always been: ''OK, God, you know what I want, what I really REALLY want. So why don't you give it to me/allow me to have it? Even if it's not the best/right thing for me, lemme find out for myself experientially.

Should 've listened to my dad and become a lawyer. LOL

Blessings,
Whatever

whatever,

Hi,

The matters of 'so-called' free will and\or predestination and Karma are actually important ones. So I am not sure why you apologize. Now, the topic of some god or another 'giving us what we ask for' (or pray for, same difference) reminds me of the Janis Joplin "request song".

:)

Cheers,

RC

finality,

Hi,

The past is essentially irrelevant with one major exception: we must learn from the past. But such will not change the past. Karma is now (and in the future). There is no Karma in the past so no need to obsess over the past.

Free will is something of a myth. The habitual patterns we develop from one lifetime to the next hinder 'free choice' since we act in olde ways without beng aware that we are doing so. But, we do have the option to alter these habitual patterns. But the first step is to recognize them.

Cheers,

RC

Hey Whatever,

What I got from this title ( Free will title) this time around was this for you.
Our lives are free will but we are also being pulled indescribably by what is best for our souls evolution. You see there is no way to get it wrong because there is no judgement. Its all happening right now.
What you don't learn this time you will learn again.. And again and again until you don't have to move through the experience to understand something causes pain, or you have had enough of a specicic type of fun.

As far as a dancer and wanting to be.. What is to stop you from enjoying dance as a form of meditation and as a form of exercise? No one says you have to be a professional. This isn't an all or nothing. There is no test at the end to see who is best...:}

Indiana Jones.. Are you dying or something?? NOOOOO Of course not. There is a WHOLE world to be discovered yet!! Don't let your dreams die because your seeing in one way. Take another shot at this and perceive something else that you want to discover. It doesn't have to be how you first envisioned it.. Find something to discover about yourself..

I tell you that your an amazing soul with lots and lots to both discover and to give away as your special gift to the world.
You are loved and unique and precious..

Love you,

Jahnavi

whatever,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- in view of the "habits" we evolve over many lifetimes, habitual ways of 'being' that influence what we think, feel, do, etc., in each succeeding life, it is quite difficult to even imagine that we exercise so-called "free will" in any situation

>:-}}

- the task, it seems to me, is to discover these karmic habits and modify those that do not contribute to a compassionate way of being

>:-}}

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper