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Hello, my friends!

On the Reiki section, there is a bit of discussion on the topic of enlightemment. It occurs to me that to say "enlightenment" can be a very vague word. I'd be interested in hearing what people's opinions are of what enlightenment actually is.

To me, it's a state where the Ego takes a back seat to spirit, and there is more of an awareness that the true identity is the spirit. Also more of a true realization that the material world is illusion.

What are your thoughts?

Blessings,
Roxy

Otoharo!

I do not know, but this is how I am using this term in relation to myself. When I am able to function as a fourth density person, then I will be enlightened because I will be light.

finaltiy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}]

you said, in part: "Also more of a true realization that the material world is illusion."

- well, now you have gone and said it

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- so, what is the material world but our perceptions??

- if that is so, then are not our perceptions Illusion as well??

>:-}}

- as for enlightnement? Perhaps with your statement you have increased the potential for our spiritual Candle Power more than just noticeably

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- so, for myself I will bump along with the notion that my Enlightenment will manifest when I have resolved a sufficient mass of my Karma to get me the hell out of the cycle of death and re-birth

bagl, bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Dear Mr. Firekeeper,

Yes, I imagine resolution of Karma may have a lot to do with it. But then, can't spiritual practice, and the acts of compassion one engages in be a proactive way of resolving Karma?

Blessings,
Ms. Roxy

Ms. Roxanne,

/*\ Namaste :-}}

- you inquired: "But then, can't spiritual practice, and the acts of compassion one engages in be a proactive way of resolving Karma?"

- one view is that compassionate action IS, in essence, spiritual practice

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- so, yes, quite!!

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- the more frequent our compassionate acts the less frequent will be the likelihood of manifesting Karma that requires resolution

- the hitch in all this, of course, is that the effects of any action cannot be predicted perfectly, hence the occasional caveat (or post mortem): "no good deed goes unpunished"

bagl

Reiki All Around,

All Blessings,

Firekeeper

Various people in history have described enlightenment in different ways. Here is how I would describe it -

There are different stages of 'realization' that are termed as enlightenment. 'Realization' means experiential knowledge (as opposed to intellectual knowledge).

Stage 1 - Experiencing the 'one-ness' of the universe.

In this stage however, the experiencer and the experienced universe remain as two entities - retaining the 'duality' (and so a highly diluted ego).

Stage 2 - Becoming 'one' with the universe.

Here the duality goes away and 'experiencer' and 'experienced' become 'one'. The identity is universal, the consciousness expands to engulf the whole universe. (Still the 'one' is bound by 'time' and therefore the laws of linearity.)

Stage 3 - The universe becomes an illusion - existing and non-existing at the same time. One becomes the total consciousness - and ego/identity can be created/dissolved with a process that is almost impossible for me to describe with words. (It just 'is')

In this stage 'time' does not exist and the linearity of existance goes away. The experiencer goes beyond 'identities' and yet identities can be created with a twinkle of a smile, and so can the universe be created (or dissolved). (Hard to describe with words as this stage is 'totally' beyond 'Mind' and any of its faculties.)

Karma etc. are a part of the linear-time-universe, and clearing all karmas helps in remaining established in enlightenment. (Of course, if there is no 'owner' of Karma (no ego'), it is easier to clear the karmas.

love and peace,
Harsh

let go of all burdens

awaken

real-ize what is real

chop wood, carry water

Blessings,
Aronaya

Otoharo!

Xaris made the comment one time, that we have to have a physcial base. In other words, we do not hang around suspended in space after we leave the third dimension. So it appears that the story in Urantia about finaliters, those humans we refer to as HEB's, have a world to live on and come to a planet with primative humans early in ther evolution in order to hold the energy of spirit for them. I read that as be reiki. So even after enlightenment, we have chores to do.

finality

something i read not so long ago...... Enlightenment is a state of full brain functioning...

Union with all that is. No separation.

My 2 cents.

resplen

(...'course, there is *no* separation, separation being an illusion.)

Revised: Union with all that is, fully realizing there is no separation.

resplen

I think one can have glimpses of 'Enlightenment'...as defined by resplen...... Moments of Oneness......but that does not mean one is 'Enlightened'..... ( IMO)

and i believe the whole point of great sex is to act as a tool to experience Oneness..I think a lot of people miss the point of the Sacredness of a sexual union.

I've had what I can only really describe as a Spiritual Orgasm ( which had nothing to do with sexual stimulation)....I've never experienced 'The Peace that passeth all understanding'....but I've experienced 'The Love that passeth all understanding'.... where my heart expanded to such a degree I felt like i would burst from being so filled up with Love.. every cell, every atom of my being became love itself....

It was better than any Orgasm I've ever had, yet it was similar, only a thousand times more powerful...

and this experience just came out of the blue one evening when i was led on my bed 'talking' to my friends in Spirit..

Hi Roxyart,

Yes, I agree with your: "... it's a state where the Ego takes a back seat to spirit, and there is more of an awareness that the true identity is the spirit.

We are Spirit housed in a body.

The ego fights mightily for survival, for control.

The ego is no more when a person is fully realized and "comes home." We are really already "home", but don't consciously know it, so strong is the belief in separation.

Realization: A "letting go, letting Spirit" process.
Inner (Spirit) directed as opposed to outer (the World) directed.

Expanded: Union with all that is, fully realizing there is no separation in which ego, effectively, has died.

resplen

Hi Shakti-rising,

Your: "Enlightenment is a state of full brain functioning."

I like that.

I wonder what a brain scan of an Enlightened Being would look like....

resplen

Hi Shakti-rising,

Yes, I agree with you; let me clarify.

Expanded2: Abiding* union with all that is, fully realizing there is no separation in which ego, effectively, has died.

*Yes -- Not momentary. Remaining stable and fixed: Continual.

resplen

Hi Shakti-rising,

As I was reading the last portion of your post, I recalled a recent dream.

A man and a woman are facing each other--fully clothed, not physically touching. An energy sphere rises from each one's solar plexus, hovering between them. The two energy spheres merge, becoming One.

Expansive, to say the least. The sensation of
expansiveness was total and beyond words. I awoke with tears. It transcended the beautiful.

resplen

Alpha, Beta, Theta and Delta waves...all functiong at the same time in harmony with each other..... *winks*

OOps, I tried to quote you there resplen....guess it didn't work..

and nice dream by the way....

Hi Shakti-rising,

So the entire brain would be on fire, er, lit up!

Nice visual.

Resplen

Shakti-rising,

LOL No worries!! I wasn't clear.

Thank you re the dream. It truly was awesome. Be nice to experience that in *real* life.

resplen